Shanti Sena part 5

Shanti Sena – part 5

Like the gargolyes on any cathedral, ours is protected by men and woman who put themselves at risk all day in order to protect us who may be to timid to be arrested beaten, or shot by locals.

THANK YOU A-CAMP

Thank you for everything you do.

I bow down to YOUR dedication to the FAMILY

Anyone who doesn’t like you is part of the PROBLEM. They should get a job with the Government if they don’t allready have one.

THREE CHEERS FOR A-CAMP!@!@!

By the way, Thanks for all the free water, juice, kool-aid, and WILD IRISH ROSE

Love-in-YOU

Boomer

“Boomer Sirius” <bsir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:f1b2a867.0207280721.2dd593bb@posting.google.com...

> THREE CHEERS FOR A-CAMP!@!@!
> By the way, Thanks for all the free water, juice, kool-aid, and WILD IRISH ROSE

Just open a Beer and Pour a few Oz. on the Earth for our Dead A-Camp Friends Before you drink, In a silent way, They will know when you are thinking

(Drinking With) of them, peace out

SpunDance

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“Boomer Sirius” wrote in message

> ours is protected by men and woman who put themselves at risk all day in order to protect us who may be to timid to be arrested beaten, or shot by locals.
> THANK YOU A-CAMP

what a crock of pure unmitigted horseshit!

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> Like the gargolyes on any cathedral, ours is protected by men and woman who put themselves at risk all day in order to protect us who may be to timid to be arrested beaten, or shot by locals.
> THANK YOU A-CAMP

You gatta be kiddin’

Hell yeah!

Don’t get me wrong -- A camp messed up *bad* this year, and I think things are going to change next year. But that does not change the fact that:

A-CAMP KICKS ASS SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO.

And I love them crazy kids for it.

In the A-Team of the Rainbow Gathering, they are Mr. T with me.

Love,
Kinda

Boomer posts in part:

> Like the gargolyes on any cathedral, ours is protected by men and woman who put themselves at risk all day in order to protect us who may be to timid to be arrested beaten, or shot by locals.

This is true of some, not all of the individuals who have passed through A-camp ...

Where do you think the “original” Shantesena came from?

Check your hipstory ...

Somewhere there is the story about the original “wrecking crew” being approached to handle a situation that the “more docile” could not or would not deal with ...

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human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants;
it is the creed of slaves.” -- William Pitt

Kinda wrote:

> Don’t get me wrong -- A camp messed up *bad* this year, and I think things are going to change next year. But that does not change the fact that:
> A-CAMP KICKS ASS SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO.

UHG !!! Ok, you seem to be under the impression that A-Camp is the group of kids known as Chaos Camp........ Chaos Camp and A-Camp are 2 totally separate and different camps........ that’s like saying that Bread of Life and Jesus Loves You camp are the same........ Chaos is the group of young fuck ups that did all the damage to the Council site and people at that site as well as the damage done on the actual site & the people on that site......... A-Camp is a the group of people that hangs mainly at the front gate and is the first thing people encounter when they come Home.

BUT, I do not support any violence in or out of a Gathering especially by people that are drunk....... by supporting the behavior of these people you are actually supporting the results of what they do....... so, if say somewhere down the line in the future one of these people kills someone you are (in my eyes) equally guilty of the very act.

Eliyahu Simchah

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“Preacher Mike” <amcar...@cox.net> wrote in message news:%g%09.160260$%%2.6556619@news2.east.cox.net...

> Somewhere there is the story about the original "wrecking crew" being approached to handle a situation that the "more docile" could not or would not deal with ...

yes mike, S.F.Wrecking Crew Motto., WE do the JOB Twice the first Time, So we do it Right. I too am from S.F. Crew. And most have no idea of the Security Issues that Go on out side the gathering to keep all the Young Sister’s and Kidz Safe from Local Rednecks, Or Freakz, looking stuff you in a trunk and drive you of for a good old GANG Banging, Beating or Murder, Any one who has been to a few Gatherings Knows this, it happens, and the A-Camp will help ANY ONE, who needs it. Within the Shuttle road of the Parking lot camp there is a very Intense sys. of Check points and security, I learned this from 11 years on the road with the Deputy, So, all you folks Have a good time In the Village. noone gets past the Gate, EZ, theres a reason for that. the intimidation, is there to Intimidate, the Killer ,Rapier, Molester, and Thief. Just a Hint of what may come after them, And ive seen the Wrath of the Wrecking Crew. they do the JOB RIGHT. so you can bitch about the A-Camp that Surrounds them. but the S.F.W.C. is still the Core of Shantesena. I know this to be true from the Many Councils Ive been to With all the HighHoly’s and Wrecking Crew. THE DEPUTY,& SHERIFF. Come from these Ranks, Also. Happy Bitchin...Peace Out

Spun

SpunDance

well ..spud...

where was our a-camp..crack security at west virgina... . when 2 sisters got kidnapped from main circle ...and later murdered???

where was a-camp.. when the locals wher taking pot shots at us with rifles.??? and we had to hit the dirt...every time a shot went off...also at west virgina????

just wondering... foote

foote posts in part:

> where was our a-camp..crack security at west virgina... . when 2 sisters got kidnapped from main circle ...and later murdered???

way I heard it that happened while they were hitch-hiking in ... but, was shantesena called?

seems like you want to play off something here, but I figured, what the hey, I’ll bite ...

and this goes back how many decades?

where were you when baker, tools, and I escorted a dynamite backing bozo into the hands of the law off site?

as I initially posted, some, I repeat SOME of the better known shantesna “current included” came out of the original “wrecking crew” and A camp ...

Everyone has their value, do not discount an entire camp for the actions of a few miscreants attached to it.

Preacher Mike

Preacher Mike wrote:

> way I heard it that happened while they were hitch-hiking in ... but, was shantesena called?

OK, can someone out here besides Mike correct me if I am wrong but there are no people that are specifically “shantesena”........ but, that all that attend a Gathering are “shantesena” ??? this is what I was lead to believe.

Now Mike, are you talking about the lynch mob that calls itself “shantesena” ??? who are these people that have appointed themselves as such ???

Just wondering if I have been lead to believe something that is not true ???

Eliyahu Smchah

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Eliyahu Simchah wrote:

> OK, can someone out here besides Mike correct me if I am wrong but there are no people that are specifically "shantesena"........ but, that all that attend a Gathering are "shantesena" ??? this is what I was lead to believe.

That's what I heard too.

> Now Mike, are you talking about the lynch mob that calls itself "shantesena" ??? who are these people that have appointed themselves as such ???

I've never heard of any group/cluster/mob that called itself shantesena lynching anyone. When was that? If you are talking about peaceable vigilance [as peaceable as the situation will allow] that's one thing, but lynchings are quite another. I'd very much like to be clear about this....... What are you talking about and exactly who are you accusing of what?

Peace,
Sanity

"Eliyahu Simchah" <eli...@rainbowphamily.com> wrote in message news:3D44B304.F54FC8C4@rainbowphamily.com...

> Now Mike, are you talking about the lynch mob that calls itself "shantesena" ??? who are these people that have appointed themselves as such ???

Now Bill, your comment seems argumentative ... And you know I'll block you rather than argue with you when you get on a roll with a full head of steam ...

Especially since you have enough time in the circle to know what I meant ...

I was one of the kids who woke to that meadow in '72. I spent time in the small circles in Boulder and Cambridge, Tucson and Santa Cruz, Da Sur and Marin, SF and NoCal, and the other wondrous places that added their flavor to that birth in a meadow ... I have seen and not forgotten the "VISION."

There is a SMALL circle of folks who have consistently been called upon as shantesana, especially whenever there is anything violent or dangerous to deal with ...

Then there are those who consistently come when called, period. Most are older, but some are coming up to replace them as they should. I have no idea of whom you are referring to as a lynch mob. I have seen several folks who have remained in service.

I have seen some who are deferred to due to their experience and scars.

I know of several who can defuse a situation with their presence because they are known to treat with all fairly and equally. I know of those who consistently walk fire-watch, shantesena, medic, and keep the peace...

These are who I refer to as the shantesena.

True, all of us are shantesena, but not all of us are willing to do all that is sometimes called for to keep the peace.

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human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants;
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"Preacher Mike" <amcar...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<Wd219.161046$%%2.6598336@news2.east.cox.net>...

> as I initially posted, some, I repeat SOME of the better known shantesna “current included” came out of the original “wrecking crew” and A camp ...
> Everyone has their value, do not discount an entire camp for the actions of a few miscreants attached to it.

I hear what you're saying Mike. Though I liked some of the old A campers, mainly because they knew how to drink and handle their alcohol, AND were not at front gate. Over the years though, hard drugs like speed got into the camp, and IMHO destroyed alot of these folks. Today, when I go and visit the camp, there are only a very few old family there, and MOST of the kids don't know how to drink, and are violent just to be violent. Fine, if folks like to play rough, there ought to be a place for it, but NOT AT THE GATE! (emphasis added) -woodstock-

Yes A-Camp is the backbone of Rainbow.

If you havn't noticed the federalies have infiltrated their camp in order to be professional drunks. and destroy their reputation.

The REAL A-Camp can be spoted by the light on their forehead and those beautiful eyes.

LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP.

Don't believe just any feddie who poses as a kind rainbow brother.

If its too good to be true, it probobly is.

If I ever needed a bodyguard, I know who to call. (Ghostbusters)

Don't be so sure you know what is going on if you are just jumping on someones hateful bandwagon.

Be Well
Boomer

the only thing infiltrated is your ass,

and as far as Shit-camp, I do not need A bodyguard, I got A spiritual belief that can not be no one higher, ask me what.

get hip drips, drink pot

uzzying HAIR

Hairy posts in part:

> I got A spiritual belief that can not be no one higher

If you believe this, why the negative nomenclature?

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Sanity-Clause wrote:

> I've never heard of any group/cluster/mob that called itself shantesena lynching anyone. When was that? If you are talking about peaceable vigilance [as peaceable as the situation will allow] that's one thing, but lynchings are quite another. I'd very much like to be clear about this....... What are you talking about and exactly who are you accusing of what?

Aahhh, semantics, semantics, semantics........ I was using the term "lynch mob" as a metaphor for a group of people that are running around looking to do someone harm........like in a particular situation that happened in NM95.

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"Eliyahu Simchah" <eli...@rainbowphamily.com> wrote in message news:3D459EBD.BE75F21A@rainbowphamily.com...

> Aahhh, semantics, semantics, semantics........ I was using the term "lynch mob" as a metaphor for a group of people that are running around looking to do someone harm........like in a particular situation that happened in NM95.

Ah semantics? how about specifics?

Names, situation, wha?

Again, you are speaking of particular individuals and seem to lumping together folks who have long served the kinfolk into an arena in which they may be entirely guiltless ...

Some clarity, please!

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human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants;
it is the creed of slaves.” -- William Pitt

thirdwav...@hotmail.com (Rainbowoodstock) wrote in message news:...

> I hear what you're saying Mike. Though I liked some of the old A campers, mainly because they knew how to drink and handle their alcohol, AND were not at front gate. Over the years though, hard drugs like speed got into the camp, and IMHO destroyed alot of these folks. Today, when I go and visit the camp, there are only a very few old family there, and MOST of the kids don't know how to drink, and are violent just to be violent.

Ah-so nice to see that folks are still at it-When did the shanta folks become unto themsleves?Wher did all of thease rules and stuff show up?Mmm76 the great most high holy put his name on some permit-Plunk,now seems to be the gig-Keep at folks-thease days ol Marko comes in latter to look at the clean up-at the Montana clean clean up-the forest kept asking if I had the okay from some council-ha ha-never been a rainbow-from 72 0n-do miss some of the ol A-campers-man some the Oregon-wel they had came in just for the booze and snooze-how many similar-in Mi-God bless the memory of the old ones-the young ones may get ther-hope,hope-onward

Preacher Mike wrote:

> Now Bill, your comment seems argumentative ... And you know I'll block you rather than argue with you when you get on a roll with a full head of steam ...
> Especially since you have enough time in the circle to know what I meant ...

Yes, and having such a long history "in the circle" I have seen some of these supposed "shantesena" actions go terribly wrong......... I tried to find my posting of a particular one from 1995 that took place......... but gave up searching for it.

But, you also having a long time in the circle know that not everyone that runs when the call goes up reacts the same and sometimes it is the people involved with trying to handle the situation that get out of line.

> There is a SMALL circle of folks who have consistently been called upon as shantesana, especially whenever there is anything violent or dangerous to deal with ...

No, nobody is "called upon" to do anything........ if so then that would denote a structure within the Rainbow Phamily and therefore "WE" would then be an organization........ there are those that CHOOSE to be involved every time the call goes up but they are not appointed to that position........ and if you are talking about people with radios then let me clue you into the fact that about 1/3 of the people at this year Gathering had radios........ in fact for the first time in 10 years Bread of Life brought radios.

> Then there are those who consistently come when called, period. Most are older, but some are coming up to replace them as they should. I have no idea of whom you are referring to as a lynch mob. I have seen several folks who have remained in service.

Yup, and I know many that on a consistent basis are right there when things start to go wrong........ but they are not a "sanctioned" group within the Phamily........ "WE" are all Shanti Sena........ I really don't care if Joe Schmoe from Idaho had been doing it from day 1 of the Gatherings it makes him no more important than the 18 year old kid that is at his first and standing right there to help out.

> I have seen some who are deferred to due to their experience and scars.
> I know of several who can defuse a situation with their presence because they are known to treat with all fairly and equally. I know of those who consistently walk fire-watch, shantesena, medic, and keep the peace...

Hmmm, my girlfriend and I walked fire watch this year........ do we get a "fire watch" button now ??? it does not matter whether someone has done it once or 500 times........ ""WE" as a Phamily are responsible for each others safety........ NOBODY is appointed to anything, there is no set group of people for Shanti Sena, there is no set group for Fire Watch, there is no set group for Medivac, "WE" are all peace keepers.

And here you are advocating the use of people that are drunk to use violence if need be to handle a situation....... is this not a double standard ??? does this not strike you as wrong ??? "oh, everyone else in the Gathering must be peaceful and loving, but A-camp can beat the fuck out of anyone they feel is getting out of line, or won't kick down to them........ they have the right to becuz they are our first line of defense"

IF, and it's a mighty big "IF" the Rainbow Phamily of Living Light is supposed to be this huge conglomeration of individuals living in "peace" then why have a defense ??? people that live at peace do not need a defense....... and what about when the Phamily needs protection from those that are supposedly defending "US" ??? what then ??? more violent people to handle the violent people ???

Mike, let me ask you, if everytime you came home you were met at your front door by a drunk....... and everytime you left you were confronted by that same drunk........ and then your wife and children were being abused by that drunk, and being robbed and raped and beaten up by that drunk........ what would you do ??? now before you answer, let me also point out that he defends you home....... he keeps that annoying neighbor away........ he keeps that stray dog from going through your trash and dragging it all over your yard, he has even been effective in keeping the police away........ what would you do when that same drunk that for years has now turned and started harming those you love ???

> True, all of us are shantesena, but not all of us are willing to do all that is sometimes called for to keep the peace.

And by this you mean ??? that not everyone is prepared to "Be all that they can be" ??? is this to mean that they are not ready or willing to use violence to stop violence ??? what does this mean.

Eliyahu Simchah

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Preacher Mike wrote:

> > a particular situation that happened in NM95.
> Ah semantics? how about specifics?
> Names, situation, wha?

OK, this will be about the 4th time I have posted this particular situation on this group........ you people should really try to improve your memory capacity somehow........ but, the situation I am talking about is one that took place in NM 1995.

A group of people came running into Bread of Life saying that they were looking for a brother who supposedly had just raped a sister (and was supposedly a member of our kitchen, which he was not)........ they were all fired up and looking to harm this brother....... even though they said that they were not....... NOW, as you have pointed out Mike I have been in this circle for a good long time and I can tell you for a fact that some of the people involved in the "hunt" for this brother were people that have been in this Phamily just as long if not longer than myself.

We (the people in the kitchen) told them that we did not know who the person was they were looking for and wanted absolutely no part in harming someone........ one of the brothers said "we aren't gonna harm him, we just want to council with the brother to straighten this whole mess out"......... and the people left.

The very next day we heard of how a brother had been accused of raping a sister and was severely beat up....... and had in fact had to be taken to the hospital........ and then only to find out that the sister had lied about it........ it turned out that the guy was her boyfriend and had hooked up with another sister at the Gathering and this one sister thought that she would get her revenge by claiming he raped her. (now, like in the past I expect this thread to turn into one where the sisters on this group start complaining about how brothers don't take the rape of a sister serious enough)

And this is not the only situation where such "lynch mob" mentality claims to be Shanti Sena........ you can not deny Mike that this sort of stuff happens........ and you can not deny the fact that a vast majority of the stuff that happens becuz of A-camp........ when are you gonna stop being their enabler ??? when are you gonna stop advocating violence within the Phamily ??? don't preach it if you don't practice it.

Eliyahu Simchah

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"Eliyahu Simchah" <eli...@rainbowphamily.com> wrote in message news:3D45A8A7.F56FA9C@rainbowphamily.com...

> OK, this will be about the 4th time I have posted this particular situation on this group........ you people should really try to improve your memory capacity somehow........ but, the situation I am talking about is one that took place in NM 1995.

more innuendo and little substance ...

AGAIN ...

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human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants;
it is the creed of slaves.” -- William Pitt

Eliyahu Simchah wrote:

Glad you cleared that up. I was beginning .... :^)

Sanity

> And this is not the only situation where such "lynch mob" mentality claims to be Shanti Sena........ you can not deny Mike that this sort of stuff happens........ and you can not deny the fact that a vast majority of the stuff that happens becuz of A-camp........ when are you gonna stop being their enabler ??? when are you gonna stop advocating violence within the Phamily ??? don't preach it if you don't practice it.

Sigh!

More innuendo ...

Look, in AZ 98, I was called upon to deal with an inebriated bro who was supposedly burning up a bonfire ...

I walked over to see a crowd of folks surrounding a situation they would not enter into.

It turns out that the dude was a long-time gatherer making a political statement and was camped with folks who had the ability to put out the fire after he finished his rant.

I made sure things were cool and went back to bed.

A day or two later, I was called upon to correct a newbie's firepit, after all peaceful neighbors asked him to size it down.

After realizing he was going to fight any interference, I asked some folks to fetch a few buckets of water as I entered in with a shovel, ignoring the threats and started correcting the situation myself by putting out the fire, I got hit a few times with a shovel, but the fire was put out after which I sat down and explained things ... the fellow lightened up and got real, apologising and was a good neighbor after that ...

It is all about perspective ...

Think about it ...

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human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants;
it is the creed of slaves.” -- William Pitt

Kinda wrote:

> A-CAMP KICKS ASS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I don't want anyone "kicking ass" for any reason! And I will put myself in between anyone that does if I see it happening. You/they/whomever will have to kick my ass first!

Love, NZane

Hairy wrote:

> the only thing infiltrated is your ass,
> and as far as Shit-camp, I do not need A bodyguard, I got A spiritual belief that can not be no one higher, ask me what.
> get hip drips, drink pot

You are one bizarre individual! hahahhahhaaa

I'll bet your actually quite likable in person and probably fun to party with huh :)

Love, NZane

> I don't want anyone "kicking ass" for any reason! And I will put myself in between anyone that does if I see it happening. You/they/whomever will have to kick my ass first!
> Love, NZane

I agree Nzane!

You know, I read this thread..and its fucking hilarious...

You got some crazed monk wannabe named Boomer spouting all this crap, and then you have an idea that seems to me to be kind of like WWF pro-wrestling meets the Rainbow gathering.

The idea that the "Rainbow Gathering", where we are suppose to all be praying for peace and whatnot. And we have a group that calls themselves "The wrecking crew"?

Are these guys like the tag team wrestling champions from the one camp that had Pro wrestling?!?!

I mean..that's what it sounds like....
"Ladies and Gentlemen.....LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!"
IN THIS CORNER, WEIGHING 650 LBS TOTAL, MAKING THEIR WAY TO THE RING........THE WRECKING CREW!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, then we go to Chaos camp, and there we find some guys who jump off houses and stuff just to video tape...and we have the "wrecking crew" against the "Camp chaos high flyers!" Holy shit!!!!!! Someone call the WWF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOLOLOL!!

Royster T. Oyster

"foote" <tjf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<8G119.11905$Kl6.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...

> well ..spud..
> .where was our a-camp..crack security at west virgina... . when 2 sisters got kidnapped from main circle ...and later murdered???

Well the howdy folks (this was before the internet was ubiquitous) said specifically to avoid that stretch of road even it meant going out of the way. As you might guess I personally took this as a written invitation to take that very route to the gathering (the shortest distant between me in Carbondale Illinois and the OK corral). There was a gunfight going on in a pizza joint parking lot while i worked underneath my broken 1959 volkswagen bus. "A" camp did not YET even exist at that date (July 1980). The murders happened miles from the gathering to two happless women captured (not from main circle) and executed by a racist biker gang. I talked to others who had been chased by these same individuals who were preying on the rainbows coming through alone in ones and twos hitch-hiking before the gathering even started. They had bikers and relatives on the local cop force who did not like hippies or people of color and covered up the murders. this is ONLY IN ONE PARTICULAR TOWN FAR FROM THE GATHERING. the people in the gathering town were particularly friendly and the local cops law abiding and reasonable. Criminy, get your facts straight!

mystery rainbow x

look in the first place just because they drinks doesn't meen theys "A" campers

in the second place the way I sees it, A camp is like one o dem magnetic oil plugs ya gits at Pep Boys fer yer oilpan. It attracts all da metal shavins what would fuck up the engine if it ever got up top in the rocker arm covers.

luv & Peese MRX

Insane Fish Love wrote:

> The idea that the "Rainbow Gathering", where we are suppose to all be praying for peace and whatnot.

Selective hoop jumping. We all do it. The invisible walled prison we call civilization demands some hoop jumping from each of us. The only partial exception I see of this are those that have the ability to survive as modern scavengers. Dumpster divers, deadheads, road dogs, gutter punks, vagabonds, hobos, 21st century nomads..... and some gatherers! When I cross that line at welcome home/front gate I lose the hoops. Too many of the hoops won't let me handle my own affairs with another human being without being "properly advised and supervised."

I've come to this gathering of the tribes to do it differently. I've come to practice my preaching. I've come to push myself to reach the ideals I hold dear. I've come to BE PEACEFUL. I appreciate every single prayer for peace.. it's a non stop obsession with me. I adore a peaceful person!! Truly peaceful people can work through anything and get anything done.

I come home to pray for and _practice_ peace.

Love, NZane

Mystery Rainbow X) wrote in message

> in the second place the way I sees it, A camp is like one o dem magnetic oil plugs ya gits at Pep Boys fer yer oilpan. It attracts all da metal shavins what would fuck up the engine if it ever got up top in the rocker arm covers.

This is the perfect metaphor for our gaurdians at the gate.

Thank you!

lovingkindness......

"Preacher Mike" <amcar...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<l2h19.161752$%%2.6705186@news2.east.cox.net>...

> > I got A spiritual belief that can not be no one higher
> If you believe this, why the negative nomenclature?

Mike, buddy, given there are two poles and the positive one is stuck somewhere up in there. Get over it, get negative, at least 50% of the time.

100% HAIR

NZane wrote:

> I don't want anyone "kicking ass" for any reason! And I will put myself in between anyone that does if I see it happening. You/they/whomever will have to kick my ass first!

the scenario you describe is, or could be seen as "using violence" to protect. i have been involved in situations where this has been the only way i could see to stop physical violence from doing further physical harm.

there have been other times when i have accepted physical abuse because i could see that if i used violence also, it would not have stopped the situation, but by my accepting some abuse it would.

most often violence is an angry reaction to punish or control and not to protect. in all cases they are very emotional and it is very hard to get those involved to think, not just react.

if there are clear heads around to get involved before the situation gets out of hand there is little chance of violence but there are those who do not care, want to, and even enjoy doing bodily harm to others and the only way to not allow them to do that is through force.

add alcohol to the mix and situations occur more often, but if clear heads are around to intervene it doesn't have to be that way but sometimes, even though very seldom, applied force is the only way left to protect. so do you protect on not??????????

chuck b

one of us wrote:

> the scenario you describe is, or could be seen as "using violence" to protect.

(snip)

> > I don't want anyone "kicking ass" for any reason! And I will put myself in between anyone that does if I see it happening. You/they/whomever will have to kick my ass first!

If your replying to what I said you misunderstand.. I do not fight back.. I hold them.. hug them until they settle down.. and yes I do take a blow now and then but my actions always help to reduce harm.

Love, NZane

Eliyahu Simchah <eli...@rainbowphamily.com> wrote in message news:<3D44B304...@rainbowphamily.com>...

> OK, can someone out here besides Mike correct me if I a Gathering are "shantesena" ??? this is what I was lead to believe.

Right on. With the exception of the phrase, "lynch mob" (yes, I know, semantics). Haven't we heard and/or read over and over again, that we are *all* Shanti Sena????? That those who consider themselves as designated "shantesena" are in error and dare I say, "full of themselves" ?

Holly - STP Goodwoman wrote:

> Right on. With the exception of the phrase, "lynch mob" (yes, I know, semantics). Haven't we heard and/or read over and over again, that we are *all* Shanti Sena????? That those who consider themselves as designated "shantesena" are in error and dare I say, "full of themselves" ?

Welcome to Mike and those like him........ IMO anyone that claims to be one thing or another in the Phamily like "Shani Sena" or a "Sanctioned Scout" or any other term that denotes leadership then they are full of something........ I have run Medivac at a couple of Gatherings but would not say that I amd appointed to do this....... I have never been asked to do this........ it was something that I have felt that I could put my energy into........ you will never hear me putting people down just becuz they do not do this........ nor will you ever hear me boasting about people that have.

From what I learned 20 years ago at my first National was that we are ALL responsible for the safety of the Phamily as a whole........ that there are no leaders........ that nobody is "hired" to do anything at the Gathering........ but I guess this is all part of the New Order of Rainbow........ people are now hired to protect us, people are now hired to inspect kitchens & shitter, people are now hired to walk around putting unsafe fires out........ maybe we should sign a permit and get it over with.

Eliyahu Simchah

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> From what I learned 20 years ago at my first National was that we are ALL responsible for the safety of the Phamily as a whole........ that there are no leaders........ that nobody is "hired" to do anything at the Gathering........

Doesn't take away from the fact that the same people every year are called upon to deal with what others will not ...

Still not doing the medic thing? some folks have done it every year, some do kiddie village every year, some scout every year, etcetera ...

The folks who do this by the way do so out of their own pockets ...

Everyone may be responsible, but I know of several occasions that I was woke up to deal with something that no one else would ...

It is much the same for many others ...

NZane wrote:

> If your replying to what I said you misunderstand.. I do not fight back.. I hold them.. hug them until they settle down.. and yes I do take a blow now and then but my actions always help to reduce harm.

i guess you are right, if passive force is not considered violence or intended as such!

chuck b

rive...@hotmail.com (Holly - STP Goodwoman) wrote in message news:<806aa5e.0207301246.4dd2542d@posting.google.com>...

> Right on. With the exception of the phrase, "lynch mob" (yes, I know, semantics). Haven't we heard and/or read over and over again, that we are *all* Shanti Sena?????

Yes, everyone please appoint yourself Shanti Sena *right now*

if you have not yet done so and please take some time to meditate on it's true meaning.

lovingkindness ............

Stella wrote:

> Yes, everyone please appoint yourself Shanti Sena *right now*

I was born Shanti Sena!

To serve and protect, NZane

Stella wrote:

> Yes, everyone please appoint yourself Shanti Sena *right now*

Right on. You don't need a radio or anything - just a heartfelt commitment to creating peace in your universe. Shanti Sena was never intended to be and should not be a vigilante goon squad. It's about communication, de-escalation, mediation, defusing, and safety. Love works.

More sisters stepping forward and involving themselves would help immensely. Balance is important, and it really changes the energy.

"Non-violence takes a long time." - the Dalai Lama's teacher

Except for Stella:

I assert that all the articles since my last are alternate characters of BARRY SACAROWE They can say the things that he is affraid will tarnish (HAHA) his reputation.

Spouting hateful Hairy, level headed feddie NZane and all the rest. its a bit like Gilligans Island.

Your Crazy Monk Wanna-BE Brother

Be Well

Boomer

BTW: My glasses are clearing up and the fog is thinning.

PS I love my FAMILY

pink, red, yellow, light blue, and light green (on the right) Maroon, Orange, Gold, Royal blue, and Jade green (On the Left) *Pinkies listed first************************************

I subscribe to the "comma and" theory, I apologize to those that do not for my grammaticle error. IT TAKES ALL KINDS

ANANDA MARGA ??? DA DA BA BA DI DI MA MA
Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
(RAMA IS A MYTH)
He that the son has set free is free indeed. (GET YOU SOME)

Hey I wonder if Kermit the frog would insult Jim Henson into erasing his character or if Jim might see the light that you need both your right and your left hand.

With all this talk from the left about cutting of the right and all this talk from the right about cutting off the left I just want to scream sometimes, SO I DO

That doesn't make me crazy...... I am a warrior, just like a janitor, cleaning up all these ego messes isn't easy. It would be nice to recieve a little kind word but it is not needed. I can't be stopped.

Your 420 DR (as in April 20th, 200*???)

Boomer Sirius

"Boomer Sirius" <bsir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:f1b2a867.0208011245.1a28c374@posting.google.com...

> Your Crazy Monk Wanna-BE Brother
> Be Well
> Boomer
> BTW: My glasses are clearing up and the fog is thinning.

Boomer...you DO realize that you're a Discordian...right? I mean you might even become a lesser saint. The less you realize how completely fucking wingo loony "What the fuck did he say???" ..."No, what the fuck does it MEAN?" kooki (spin the finger next to the head) "WHAT!?!?!" nutso wingnut crazi you are, the better. I love you bro...I enjoy your posts...at least some of them...they remind me of what an infinite (alef-null) number of monkeys could do if given ENOUGH DMT....Thanks for the fun and entertainment...

Loopi, who aspires to someday be THAT crazy....

:-)

stell...@yahoo.com (Stella) wrote in message news:<37d623ab.0207300619.558baf3c@posting.google.com>...

> > in the second place the way I sees it, A camp is like one o dem magnetic oil plugs ya gits at Pep Boys fer yer oilpan. It attracts all da metal shavins what would fuck up the engine if it ever got up top in the rocker arm covers.
> This is the perfect metaphor for our gaurdians at the gate.

I like too, if it points out that A-Camp attracts the attention of the FS cops, who are entirely harmful to the smooth running of a gathering. They might cause less mischief if they're worrying about A-Camp boogymen.

Love,
hombre

Too much of everything is just not enough.....

I like to think of myself as a Dianic.....

Yes, I know, and I piss people off and they think and then they blame me if they don't like what they see about themselves then my heart breaks and I want to make it better, which usually makes it worse and I never seem to be able to be happy or too sad. Alone, never, I'll just go for a walk.

Chaos is not a weapon.
Chaos is the order of our planet

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I approach this from a practicle issue. Yes we strongly discourage alcohol on the gathering site. However, the problem as I see it is the issue of people with alochol abuse problems bunching up around the front gate, welcome home and in certain places in the parking lot.

This happens because most of our family is not willing to take the time to perform service in these areas. If there were 20 non-drinkers on the front gate, the alcohol energy would go elsewhere or if it remained, there’s a big difference between a front gate with 20 sober folks and 2 drunks then a gate with 10 drunks and no one sober.

The second problem is the folks buying drugs from anyone at our gathering. If you buy drugs, you are the problem just as much as the person selling.

I truly believe the problems surrounding our brothers and sisters who have alochol abuse and social skills disfunctions will all but disappear if the more sober minded, more socially skilled family spent time working these areas. This does not mean that their individual problems will disappear, but the social problems will be minimized.

Unfortunately for the most part, folks want to be in the interior of the gathering. Many of our A-Camp brothers and sisters like working Front Gate and Welcome Home for a variety of reasons. It is the responsibility of the sober non-panhandling folks to pull all nighters at the front gate and welcome home.

The solutions is simple. Get off your butts and do the work.

Love,
Karin

Karin Zirk wrote:

> I approach this from a practicle issue. Yes we strongly discourage alcohol on the gathering site. However, the problem as I see it is the issue of people with alochol abuse problems bunching up around the front gate, welcome home and in certain places in the parking lot.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Ho.

In article <350C24...@earthlink.net>, Karin Zirk <kz...@earthlink.net> writes:

> Unfortunately for the most part, folks want to be in the interior of the gathering. Many of our A-Camp brothers and sisters like working Front Gate and Welcome Home for a variety of reasons. It is the responsibility of the sober non-panhandling folks to pull all nighters at the front gate and welcome home.

I agree that a sober Welcome Home crew would go a long way to deeling with a-camp. Now how about some ideas on how to bring that about.

It seems to me that we would already have a strong and reliable front-gate family if we did it right. Front gate and Welcome Home should be a joy, not a tour of duty. So why, besides the quarling drunks spanging nearby, isn’t it?

Maybe we should encourage a drummers circle at front gate. Or a guitar player or two would sure lighten the atmosphere. Most certainly we need a dedicated kitchen that is as or more interested in good food than in coffee. (I mean at front gate. Welcome Home does just fine most of the time.)

Most of all, we need to send GROUPS of people, people who will keep each other entertained so no one feels like they are missing out on all the good vibes down at main circle. And not just a random pack of 20. Like a the consistently-better drum jams, at least a few of the people should already know each other. It would be great if they went to front gate with the expectation of having an enjoyable week there, not a short and barely endurable couple of days.

I got a feeling I’m not being entirely reasonable here. I expect you’all will show me the error of my ways. ;^}

Montana Crystal

BoomBdBoom <boomb...@aol.com> wrote in article <19980317034...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> I agree that a sober Welcome Home crew would go a long way to deeling with a-camp. Now how about some ideas on how to bring that about.

i don’t think we can *send* anybody, but committed groups is best stratagem.... guitar playin’ worx, i’ve done it for both sober crews and drinkin’ crews, and it is a benefit to each.... i disagree, mostly/most time, on drum energy at the gate... occasionally it could be fun, but bad drumming, well you know, and good drumming tends to raise up energy [-ies] while i prefer the gate energy to stay pleasantly welcoming, open, yet low intensity..... least confusion, except for the unrevibed leo... dedicated individuals with heart can, as always/ever, make for a real change here, too.... myself i try to be senterd, christ conscious.... bringing vipassana (buddha’s wisdom) and yoga with me to all encounters... when i fail, i still succeed...

my favorite episode was going to the *back* gate in VT 91 about 10 am 4 july to work in silent, and finding myself one of a dozen silent infiltrators welcoming and being recognized by arrivers amidst an earnest a-camp movie.... o joy!

[snip]

> I got a feeling I’m not being entirely reasonable here. I expect you’all will show me the error of my ways. ;^}

sorry bro, i think you right

> > Welcome Home for a variety of reasons. It is the responsibility of the sober non-panhandling folks to pull all nighters at the front gate and welcome home.
> > The solutions is simple. Get off your butts and do the work.

even simpler: love

Porky Pine wrote:

> i don’t think we can *send* anybody, but committed groups is best stratagem.... guitar playin’ worx, i’ve done it for both sober crews and drinkin’ crews, and it is a benefit to each....

What we’ve been doing at our Southern Califronia regionals is having a few strong sober folks set up their vehicles at Welcome Home/Front Gate (last few SCROLL gatherings they have been combined. Then if the folks who are working welcome home have any problems with non-sober family, they can bang on the door of our rigs and wake us up to deal quickly with the situation. As it is, we’ve had no problem at the welcome home/front gate.

Of course there have been some problems with non-sober folks elsewhere in the parking lot but at least they haven’t been the most visable.

In Oregon in 1997 the same strategy was used at Welcome Home. Many strong old and relatively sober family set up their rigs at Welcome Home. While some may disagree about some of the results of this, at least the Welcome Home energy was non-alcoholic.

And I totally agree with you about drum energy. Guitars, flutes, singing at the front gate and welcome home is awesome! Singing welcome home crews have staffed SCROLL two years running. When a car drove up, they were serranaded with Rainbow songs of peace & love.

Love,
Karin

BoomBdBoom wrote:

> I agree that a sober Welcome Home crew would go a long way to deeling with a-camp. Now how about some ideas on how to bring that about.
> It seems to me that we would already have a strong and reliable front-gate family if we did it right. Front gate and Welcome Home should be a joy, not a tour of duty. So why, besides the quarling drunks spanging nearby, isn’t it?

Having workes the gate several times let me reflect a bit on my problem with it.

In a nutshell I goto the gathering to go to the gathering. I do not go to the gathering to have a tail-gate party!

The gate is more of a tailgate party, what with Buss Vill right there and all. Booming Boomboxes, Roring Generators, Electric toons / lights etc. All this is what I goto a gathering to get away from.

There is so much happening at a gathering inside that I dopn’t want to miss, pluss it’s often quite a trek to get to the gate.

This isn’t to say I havnt’ had fun at the gate, but it is a burdon somewhat.

To all who are posting the “We Shoulds” remind you - WE IS YOU.

So if you want change there the “WE SHOULD” must become “I WILL”!

Are you willing to do the things you are proposing yourself?

Gate is a LARGE MOVIE with lots of “other things” to deal with (supply emergencys cops etc shuttle parking Buss Vill etc). One can’t change everyting or the mood of the area no mater how hard one tries.

We have done many of the things proposed, but they usually only last for one short lived group, no enough energy there.

So again I ask those who have solutions. Are YOU willing to do these things?

Hawker

Hawker wrote:

> To all who are posting the “We Shoulds” remind you - WE IS YOU.
> So if you want change there the “WE SHOULD” must become “I WILL”!
> Are you willing to do the things you are proposing yourself?

Personally I work the front gate and welcome home. Not as much at the annual gathering as at our regionals. At our local regionals I spend 12 hours a day and up dealing with front gate/welcome home. I park my van there so that at 2 Am folks can bank on my door and I’ll come out and help.

At the annual, I’m trying to do more. Spent a few all nighters in Oregon. Not enough but a few nights is better than none. If most folks pulled some time up there - say one 24 hour stretch, it would change. Doesnt’ mean that it’s everyone first choice of what they want to do.

I personally am sick of the endless complaining about A-Camp, when the problem belongs to all of us.

Love all your hard work!

Karin

Since this seems to be a thread that won’t go away, I figured that I would contribute my share.

At the ‘96 gathering, when I heard the appeal for people to work the front gate, I figured I would go out. Once I got to the main “gate” I asked around to find out who needed help. Eventually I was told that there was a need in one of the parking lots. I went out and wasn’t replaced for something like 17 hours (I may be wrong on that exact number). All through the afternoon, night, and early morning I sat out there alone. Not knowing what to expect, I had brought nothing to eat or drink. I suspect that this may be the case with some again this year.

All of this is just to remind people to be nice to those out there welcoming you home, and perhaps bring an extra apple or hershey bar and a whole lotta hugs.

I won’t be able to make it out to this years gathering but look forward to reading first hand accounts from those who can.

Love Life, Be Happy
Brad

ok - - here is another solution to throw in the pot for a-camp

buy a few kegs crush some downers in the brew and they will sleep through the whole gathering

sort of like bears hibernating

peace
Dan

Thomas A. Edison:
“Hell, there are no rules here-- we’re trying to accomplish something.”

Brad Martin wrote:

> At the ‘96 gathering, when I heard the appeal for people to work the front gate, I figured I would go out. Once I got to the main “gate” I asked around to find out who needed help. Eventually I was told that there was a need in one of the parking lots. I went out and wasn’t replaced for something like 17 hours (I may be wrong on that exact number).

That’s my point exactly. Brad went to help his family but most other folks were too wrapped in their own personal movie to see what was important to the family as a whole. If we all came to a gathering from the perspective of what does the family need from me, rather than what do I want?, most of these problems would be solved and no one person would end up working 17 hours straight without food and water. (except those folks who do it out of some need to punish themselves but that’s a whole new discussion).

Think what you can do for your family, not what your family can do for you!!

Love,
Karin

And a real big hug to Brad for serving and loving his family!

In a message dated 98-03-15 16:01:11 EST, you write:

> The second problem is the folks buying drugs from anyone at our gathering. If you buy drugs, you are the problem just as much as the person selling.

right on!!! the whole commericalization of the gatherings sucks-- you want the a-campers to not drink for a week or so, well at least some of them have an excuse via addiction-- why can’t those folks who go to trading circles all day and fleece their brothers and sisters take a week off-- makes me sick baking bread for folks who sit and brag about how much or how well they profitted at the trading circle--you want to run someone off from the gathering, run the capitalists off-------------------s

In article <350FF9...@earthlink.net>, Karin Zirk <kz...@earthlink.net> writes:

> That’s my point exactly. Brad went to help his family but most other folks were too wrapped in their own personal movie to see what was important to the family as a whole. If we all came to a gathering from the perspective of what does the family need from me, rather than what do I want?, most of these problems would be solved and no one person would end up working 17 hours straight without food and water.

My point is that Brad should not have been sent out to a parking lot by himself in the first place. We may not need to go around in sets and pairs for protection, but we still need it in order to feel loved. Twiddleing your thumbs in a parking lot by yourself is no way to feel loved.

If we want strong, sober family to spend time in the outskirts of the gathering, we need to make it FUN for them. It needs to have an appeal of its own.

Some of that appeal should come from the feeling that one is doing something worth while. Those who are warmly and helpfully welcomed should express the joy of such a reception. Such people should see that they are garnering our respect.

Montana Crystal

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Karma gots a wicked sense of humor - Brad

At 08:14 AM 3/18/98 -0600, Brad wrote:

> At the ‘96 gathering, when I heard the appeal for people to work thefront gate, I figured I would go out.

Marvelous.

> Once I got to the main “gate” I asked around to find out who needed help. Eventually I was told that there was a need in one of the parking lots. I went out and wasn’t replaced for something like 17 hours (I may be wrong on that exact number). All through the afternoon, night, and early morning I sat out there alone. Not knowing what to expect, I had brought nothing to eat or drink.

Wonderful opportunity to learn patience, and to think on your feet, right?

> I suspect that this may be the case with some again this year. All of this is just to remind people to be nice to those out there welcoming you home, and perhaps bring an extra apple or hershey bar and a whole lotta hugs.

That’s a start. Once we learn patience, perhaps, we’ll be able to do without the apples, hershey bars, and, if we’re really evolved, even the hugs.

> I won’t be able to make it out to this years gathering but look forward to reading first hand accounts from those who can.

Sorry to think you’ve more important things to do ... certainly, awareness like yours would help build a better gathering (assuming, of course, that a “better” gathering is possible).

Love,
Thomas

In a message dated 98-03-19 15:42:08 EST, you write:

> In Oregon in 1997 the same strategy was used at Welcome Home. Many strong old and relatively sober family set up their rigs at Welcome Home. While some may disagree about some of the results of this, at least the Welcome Home energy was non-alcoholic.

ah, excuse me karin, but what about fred who stayed at the front gate the whole time with his beer under a bucket and panhandled whenever the oppertunity availed?----------------------s

On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:21 -0800 Peace through Reason <pr...@prop1.org> writes:

That’s a start. Once we learn patience, perhaps, we’ll be able to do without the apples, hershey bars, and, if we’re really evolved, even the hugs.

HEY! how come if we were “really evolved”, it would mean doing without

the apples & chocolate?

I mean com’ on, what’s wrong with giving some treats to the folks that welcome us home?

not for safe passage or to bribe folks to work there but out of the kindness of our hearts.

It makes folks feel good to give unexpected treats (and receive them:).

Now as for them hugs.... well that can be a mixed bag of blessings, especially at frontgate (ever get head lice from hugging folks coming into the gathering? sounds weird but you’d be surprised how often it can happen.... not saying to give them up so much as think about it as your deciding to hug some of those hippies coming in :)

And if we were “really evolved” we would all become coated in chocolate and a sweet world it would be.

please don’t take any of this too seriously (except the head lice of course) ...... BJ (he who is also a chocoholic and will take every opportunity to keep the supply flowing)

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Peace through Reason wrote:

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> Wonderful opportunity to learn patience, and to think on your feet, right?

snip

absolutly

> That’s a start. Once we learn patience, perhaps, we’ll be able to do without the apples, hershey bars, and, if we’re really evolved, even

I think that I am a pretty patient guy. I don`t like what you`re implying there buddy. Are you talking about me. If so, I don`t like what you`re saying! If you insult me, you insult my whole family. Got anything else ‘clever’ to say about my mom. If I ever see you, watch out, you’re history pal.

**special note, my question mark doesn`t seem to be working so forgive the errors.

**second special note, I seem to not understand the difference between patience and barking mad, I am an idiot.

Love Life, Be Happy

Brad

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