Shanti Sena part 4

Shanti Sena – part 4

Shanti Sena!!!!!

Dear Jessi & Mamma Turtle,

Myself and other brothers of the “dog’ society would like names please of the perpetrator of these offenses and the last known whereabouts of same person/s. Also any evidence to support your claims in writing and signed by the victem/s.

Metakuye Oyasin

Yellowhand

> Myself and other brothers of the “dog’ society

Dog Soldiers ya mean? Rainbows got Dog Soldiers? Lesse...The Dog Solider was the defender of the village, dedicated to encountering the enemy with his sash staked to the ground by his knife or spear. He was released from his duty only by vanquishing his foe, his own death, or the pulling of his stake by another member of the society. That’s commitment. Now I have seen the self-important twerps running around the gathering wearing camoflage and jabbering into the ever-present radio, but nothing in their manner, methods or attitude would lead me to consider them Dog Soldiers-a Society I have a great deal of respect for. But then, maybe I’m not “inner-circle”.

--Michael LaughingOwL Raindog of the Sun

yellowhand wrote

> Myself and other brothers of the “dog’ society would like names please of the perpetrator of these offenses and the last known whereabouts of same person/s. Also any evidence to support our claims in writing and signed by the victem/s.

Would you be so kind as to tell us just what you intend to do with this information if it is given to you? What are you going to do to the “perpetrator” if you do find him? Will he be heard out in someting resembling a court of something resembling law, and given all of his fifth amendment rights to face his accuser and call witnesses on his behalf in a public setting - or will this be a summary trial where your “dogs” are judge, jury, and executioner? Precisely who the hell is this “dog society”, and why are they worthy of my respect and cooperation?

- Butterfly Bill

http://www.grapevine.net/~butterflybill/BB.htm

Raindog sez:

> Dog Soldiers ya mean? Rainbows got Dog Soldiers?

In return to your comment ...

there are dog councils called on occasion ... to deal with situations that involve the definite possibility of being injured. I’ve been called on several, as have a few on the NG currently. Tools can verify I know of what I speak as can a few others.

With respect to all of the hard working kin at gather, this sort of thing is rarely dealt with by radio and if it is, on channels I doubt the average joe would have access to and in a code that was left behind by the idiom a long time ago. If you aren’t one of the workers, don’t call anyone trying a twerp. could be all some need is guidance, and there is a lot of communication to maintain a gather.

The last one of several situations I was called to, was done by person ... a simple one word request made by a trusted runner from a bro who I’d STOOD with before ...

And no, no camouflage or CIA antics, you’d be surprised who might be called or show up. (not that they haven’t been used on occasion)

Usually only those with a reputation for the ability of being able to keep their heads in a crisis situation, and yes, being willing to stand their ground are called, or so it has appeared to me over the years.

these are folks who have developed a trust for each others decisions over the years ... and despite the rigmarole here on the NG, you’d find it “entertaining” just who does stand, sister and bro ...

Should you ever grow out off the adolescent to the maturity to realize that there are some things worth a STAND for, you might be honored with such a call.

The call refers to an AmerInd concept, but is also in reference to old tramp law, something that a lot of folks haven’t the time or interest for anymore it seems.

Inner circle?
Pulleeaassee!

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“The me I used to think of as being
myself has slowly been replaced by
the self I seem to be today.”
- Arlo Guthrie

> In return to your comment ...
> there are dog councils called on occasion ... to deal with situations that involve the definite possibility of being injured. I’ve been called on several, as have a few on the NG currently. Tools can verify I know of what I speak as can a few others.

What indication do you have that this situation contains the definate possibility of injury? Only sort of situations I can see that could result in injury involve self defence on someones part, or negotiating hazardous terrain and/or environments.

> I’ve been called on several, as have a few on the NG currently. Tools can verify I know of what I speak as can a few others.

I believe you. You’ve defended my own person from the threat of bodily harm by an agro A-Camper once. You didn’t even know me...I think I thanked you then. I think I’ve thanked you since, but just in case I didn’t, Thanks.

> If you aren’t one of the workers, don’t call anyone trying a twerp.

Oh, but I am. I don’t play the “security” game with radios...although I loan my 40 chnl 6 band CB and amp when it’s needed.

When I had a video camera I pointed it at any confrontations between forest circus and the People, and know that this was effective in some small way since during one such incident fs leos involved radioed back to their HQ, “They have video...please advise.”

When Shanti Sena is called, I go. I go to lend my presence, which more than one has remarked to be “grounding”. I do not get into physical conflicts very often because of two reasons. One...no point in it unless my life or the lives of my Family are in danger...because I’d rather not kill anyone. Two...I do not find pain pleasurable, and therefore do what I can to avoid it. If it boils down to survival - okay. Otherwise there are options.

I do my work at CALM. I do my work in a Kitchen. When I am at gathering, I work.

> Should you ever grow out off the adolescent to the maturity to realize that there are some things worth a STAND for, you might be honored with such a call.

Hmmm. So the stand I’ve taken against rampant xenophobia on this NG has no worth? I don’t buy it. At any rate, I have already been honored with a calling. The Pipe I carry is a testament to that.

No doubt you are a Warrior, Preacher Mike...but a Dog Soldier in the traditional sense of the word? How could it be when you say you will exclude the “Fairy folk” from your camp...do you not also conceptually exclude them from your village? And the village that is Rainbow does indeed contain us. Sometimes I wonder if you’d known my orientation that day long ago during alabama thanksgiving council...if you’d still have defended me from the blade.

Michael LaughingOwL Raindog of the Sun

Raindog posts in part:

> No doubt you are a Warrior, Preacher Mike...but a Dog Soldier in the traditional sense of the word? How could it be when you say you will exclude the “Fairy folk” from your camp...do you not also conceptually exclude them from your village? And the village that is Rainbow does indeed contain us. Sometimes I wonder if you’d known my orientation that day long ago during alabama thanksgiving council...if you’d still have defended me from the blade.

Here we go again, the insinuations and word-games ... due to the manipulation of my words, by word-smiths, these charges do crop up again and again, I just ignore them most of the time since they show an ignorance of my heart that those who know me chuckle at ...

Who you choose to play with is your business ... just as who I’m snuggling with is mine ... My personal opinion of the right or wrong of sexual preference is mine and my right to hold. I am not afraid or intimidated by the concept as the label “homophobe” denotes ... I’m just not that politically correct ... Don’t ask, don’t tell, works for me ... Ain’t none of my business ...

You could have been in flaming drag and I still would have stood up for you, ready to take a blade for you ... because it was the RIGHT thing to do. And you are right, I cannot place you off hand, I was going through some stuff that year and have stepped in more than once for folks, wait, yeah, I do remember the situation, not your face, sorry ... I was tussling with A-camp a lot, well, one person in particular that gather ... your situation was just one of several I was involved in, (I was across from A-camp in my bus?)

There is a reason folks of like attitudes and thought patterns gather together in camps at gather ... same reasons as there are tribal affiliations ... It doesn’t mean that should the need arise I wouldn’t come and STAND in defense of your camp against any who would choose to hassle you and yours.

I stand up for the folks in A camp for the same reason when the anti-alcohol faction do their dance. I camp alone, or with a few of the folks who have known me for a very long time, and want to keep a kitchen with me ...

There is a reason, I’m an opinionated dude that is hard to live with, and there is very little I will put up with in my home, or camp, as you well know. And I don’t get any more patient as the grey hair collects ...

As far as what is allowed in my village ... I’ve had so many folks twist my words, I don’t even share them on certain subjects anymore ... They are convinced they are right and I am too tired to argue with them.

Later ...

In article <39C4F8EA...@usa.net>, yello...@usa.net wrote:

> Shanti Sena!!!!!
> Dear Jessi & Mamma Turtle,

hello, brother yellowhand. thank you for the ‘dog’ society’s interest in this event. while i do not have direct knowledge of the incident, i do know the sister involved and have never seen her do or say anything which was not (at times painfully) honest. so i agreed to let the previous post come up under my name, as the sister writing does not have an account with deja to go on agr and, given what she has seen from SOME rainbows, is not likely ever to have same. i would hope that the good folk in rainbow would pursue this ugly bit of business, but please address responses regarding it to either sister differance or jessi. Tx, mamaturtle

hello yellowhand,

This is Jessi. I apperciate your response to my posting. I am not versed in the proper protocols of Shanti Sena, as my first meeting with a rainbow was in Talledega, Al. I will start from the ugly beginning of my acquaintance with the victim, sister differance. I was working for the bureau of the census counting the migrants, this was in april of this year. I had been told that there was a rainbow gathering in the talledega forest and it fell under my area of enumeration. When i got there I found three people, Sister Differance, Brother Pathfinder, and Stryder. They had been stranded since the beginning of the gathering with vehicle trouble and had actively pursued assistance and been given ridiculous reasons for inability to help. So they were still there when i came around two weeks after the gathering was over. I spoke with sister differance first, and she told me her story. Then proceeded to tell me about rainbow, and the love of family and each other. I could not understand what was so great about these people if they had left her stranded. I listened anyway, and made the decision to bring her and her companions home. Brother pathfinder had been left behind by his fellows also. Stryder left soon after his arrival to my farm, as he thought that I was being difficult in my requests that he assist my husband put up a small shed for a miniature horse. His opinion was I was” acting like too much of a queen bee.” On my own farm, Imagine that. Brother Pathfinder and Sister Differance stayed with me until June 3rd. During the time that they spent with me I and my family became close to both individuals. They were wonderful people and and were shining examples of the rainbow that Differance had spoken of when i first met her. They were both anxious to get to the Nationals, as Differance had a kitchen called Aztec Grove Cafe and Trades to meet with Angel Camp in Montana. We assisted them in locating a vehicle so they could continue their journey. Meanwhile differance had been in communication with Preacha Bill from San Antonio TX. He had asked them to drive out of their way to come get him and three others who wanted to get to the gathering. She stated that since they were “family” she had no problem doing so. Differance and Pathfinder left to pick them up. About 70 miles before they got to San Antonio, near a town called Luling (13 miles away)they broke down. They called Preacha Bill to assist them, since he was Rainbow Family. Meanwhile they had called me to let me know what was going on. Brother Pathfinder had told me that Preacha Bill had said that the head gasket was blown and there was no hope for the vehicle. Also that he was going to go rent a U-Haul to get them and the kitchen to the Nationals. Needless to say he never did show back up. If I remember correctly, he posted one of Sister Differance’s web pages that he was going to rent the U-Haul and save the day.( this is not a direct quote.) The next thing I hear is that he never came back and used the last of their water to put in the radiator of the van that differance and Pathfinder were driving. He told them he would be back in two hours with the U-Haul and would bring them water then. He did neither. I was 1200 miles away and could not help them. About five days later I spoke with the man that differance was planning to go see in washington state and he said that preacha bill had said Differance had stolen a blue graduation tassel from his friend that had driven him to assist them. I spoke with pathfinder and told him about this and he had not a clue to what i was referring. Needless to say she wound up losing everything she owned including her van, the kitchen(Several people put a lot of time and their own money into building this kitchen) and all of her personal possessions and was brutally beaten. I do feel that it was heartless and inhumane to leave two people stranded on the side of the Hwy with false hopes of return in over 100 degree weather, with no water and little food, and then to post casting himself as an innocent victim of Differance’s duplicity!!!! I think that some sort of justice needs to be served. I will attempt to contact Pathfinder via email so that he can place his account before the public. I will research the web site to find the posting and present it as evidence if I find it. But it is counter to all american legal thinking to require the victim to prove innocence of crime. Again I thank you for your time and concern. It renews my hope for rainbow.Please reply to personal email so that mama turtle doesn’t have bear the strain of being in the middle of a dispute. Since Preacha Bill is regular poster on agr then i assume he can be reached. Thanks again.

Jessi

Celestial Greetings Yellowhand,this is Differance. Jessi told the story for she types faster than I,yet let me sum it up for ALL! After breaking down in Alabama and being saved by a Kind {non-rainbow} sister, We still felt the urge to make sure that our Kitchen made it to Nationals to assist in supplying food for Angel Camp. As Angel Camp is/was Mama Turtles Baby and we had agreed that Aztec Grove Cafe & Trades was it’s/her companion kitchen. Well... at the end of May I tried to leave Al. with my purple van, just to find out I had a blown head gasket. The radiator cap was full of oil. =( So, Sister Jessi saved me yet again and towed us back to Cedarbluff, from Trussville, Al. Immediately upon arriving back in Cedarbluff we made a mad search for a running van, as the e-mails from Preacha Bill were getting snotty, for having to wait. So,I borrowed and bought a 82’ brown chevy van for the road. Several people told me I was crazy for going that far out of the way to pick-up Family. Yet the Key Word there was FAMILY! I feel that if it is within my power to help someone that I am obligated to do just that. And even though Texas is not between alabama & Montana, it was Family. Well, we hit the road on June 3rd,we had van problems three times in Texas ,the 3rd had us dead in the water 13 miles east of Luling,Texas. We hitched up to Love’s Truck Stop and called PB, He came a day or two later complaining that his ride was illegal and he was risking his friends and himself of police problems. He used the last of our drinking water to put in our radiator, said he wanted to try a trick. After they hemmed and hawed they decided that we wouldn’t be driving anywhere. {We already knew this after 3 days already stranded there.} He then proceeded to tell us he had good news & bad news. The bad news was the van was dead, the good news was that he would take his $400.00 and rent a U-haul, he would then be back in 2 Hours to get us, my dogs & the Kitchen gear. We asked him to leave us water or at least drop us off at the truck stop for water, he said he didn’t have the time, and besides he’ld be back in two hours anyway, then he/they left. We knew as soon as he had left that he would not be back to get us. He had been snotty and fairly unfriendly and short with us as though it was our fault the van broke down and he would HAVE TO take a Bus. I found this to be tacky and rude, yet said nothing to him since he at that point was our only HOPE. We had to hitchhike 13miles in either pouring rain {waiting up to 3 hours for a ride} or in 108 to 113 in heat temperature to make phone calls, get drinking water & food. 5 days after he left us Pathfinder hitched up to Love’s to call Jessi, when he returned he had this strange tale of a missing tassel that we had supposedly removed from their car. This was very confusing to us, as it took all 5 of us to push the van off the off ramp and we never saw a dark blue tassal. I has sat in the driver’s seat of the car while they looked at the van, there was no tassal, only the gold-plated piece with the graduation year on it hanging from the rear-view mirror. Anyway, he had to go back 3 hours later to call Jessi, caz she was trying to find us some help. A few minutes after he left the State Patrol pulled up behind the van, so I went to talk to the kind officers. We chatted with them asking many questions for about 15 min.s, then the driver leaned over beneath his car and proceeded to hand me an object, asking, ”Is this something you dropped ma’dam? It looks to be of importance.” then he attempted to hand it to me. I in response said, ”No, Sir, yet I do know the gentleman who unfortunately lost it.” It SHOCKED me so badly that I withdrew my hand when he reached out to hand it to me. After they left I went back to the van, all freaked out about what had happened. An hour & a half later I went back to where they had been and picked the tassal up then placed it on the dashboard of the van. I wish I could say that I still had it, yet the chain of events that followed I no longer have it. We spent 8 days on the side of I-10,then a kind Tow person towed us to just outside of Love’s Truckstop. There we stayed for 4 days adding 2 brothers hitching to Nationals, we then were towed by a kind local to the River. There we spent 2 weeks,2 of 3 brothers left, we then found a woman to stay with, while we went to check her place out someone broke in to camp looted and destroyed alot. The next day upon finding this new disaster we loaded her van with as much as it would handle then the rest into my chevy. That night the Brother with me beat me within inches of my life. {I have scars to remind me} The next day we went to get the rest of the stuff from my van and the van had been STOLEN! =( A week into staying with this woman she bailed out the brother that beat me, these people put me thru HELL. I borrowed money for a bus ticket back to Al. ,just to find out that they Killed BOTH of my Dogs while I was on the Bus back here. I lost everything, YET more IMPORTANT I lost ALL The Kitchen Gear. This in it’s own right breaks my Heart! =( So,as we recollect Kitchen gear and start The world anew, I want to say that I/we don’t hold this against the Rainbow name/Dream. I do have my Life, Dreams, Hopes & Friends and see ONLY Bright Tommorrows.

Eternal Peace & Harmony to ALL!!!

Love at work

mamaturtle

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Raindog posts in part:

> No doubt you are a Warrior, Preacher Mike...but a Dog Soldier in the traditional sense of the word? How could it be when you say you will exclude the “Fairy folk” from your camp...do you not also conceptually exclude them from your village? And the village that is Rainbow does indeed contain us. Sometimes I wonder if you’d known my orientation that day long ago during Alabama thanksgiving council...if you’d still have defended me from the blade.

Y’know,
I love the Rainbow ... from the concept through to the reality, and have for more years than I care to consider.

There are many things I don’t agree with, but, the concept of Rainbow entails all people, paths, belief systems, etc., so I accept what I can and deal with the rest.

Predators are about the only thing that get my goat anymore, that and high-holies telling me that, as a tramp, I’m not “enlightened” enough for the new age bozo movie they are trying to force down my throat. I don’t force my movie on anyone else at gather and don’t want it done to me.

Hangout where you feel comfortable ...

What is acceptable behavior in one camp might not be in another, Rainbow works because it is separated into many tribes that come together a few times a year, agreeing to put aside personal differences for a time.

I will and have STOOD in defense of the kin (sometimes alone while others watched) more than once in the past and will again.

I’ve a definite attitude about what is right and wrong, and I am willing to fight for what I believe, or take a punch when it is necessary to keep the peace ...

I believe in the family, a collection of MANY TRIBES under the RAINBOW.

later,
PM

ps:
where DID I put those flame-proof longjohns? Ah, here they are ...

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“The me I used to think of as being
myself has slowly been replaced by
the self I seem to be today.”
- Arlo Guthrie

> You could have been in flaming drag and I still would have stood up for you, ready to take a blade for you ... because it was the RIGHT thing to do.

Then I apologize for speculating otherwise.

> your situation was just one of several I was involved in, (I was across from A-camp in my bus?)

There were no clear boundaries except that your bus and Bobcats digs were an island of calm in a sea of confusion. Bobcat had prevented my dissection the night before by the same assailant. Incidently, it took two years, but eventually the same individual who wanted to cut my heart out accepted me as brother finally.

> There is a reason folks of like attitudes and thought patterns gather together in camps at gather ... same reasons as there are tribal affiliations ... It doesn’t mean that should the need arise I wouldn’t come and STAND in defense of your camp against any who would choose to hassle you and yours.

As I would do for you. I don’t have to like you to love you.

Michael LaughingOwL RainDog of the Sun
(all the parts are one)

I just dont know what to say, but that people are truly sick. I’m sorry that had to happen to you. If there’s anything I can do to help, don’t hesitate to ask. But sisters, please travel with me & Clipper in my little ol’ car next summer. Clipper, and all big dogs with big teeth and solid self defense training are an asset to a woman anywhere.

Canine Bodyguards: don’t leave home without ‘em

Loving you,
HH

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It was written:

> To the so- called rainbow who left a brother and sister stranded on the side of I-10 in TX about 13 miles from civilization and water. I know for a fact that nothing of any value either personal or otherwise was taken from you or your companion. A tassel from a high school graduation was found by a Tx Statetrooper in the median about 5 days later. The trooper asked the sister if it was hers and she replied it was not. Is this article the one you proclaimed to be stolen?!?!? Is this the reason you left her with no help, no water, and without any resources or options other than dehydration and harassment by the rude locals?!?!?!

Hmmmm, the Texas State Troopers found a 4 inch purple graduation tassle in the middle of a grassy median 5 days after it turned up missing........... and just out of the blue asked a person broken down on the side of the road if it was theirs ???

OK, and how do you know the facts ??? were you there ??? only Path Finder & Differance were there.......... were you in the glove box ??? in the engine compartment ??? were you there when these supposed Texas State Troopers found this article ??? Hmmm, as I remember she was the only one near the vehicle that had opportunity to take anything, and this story of it being found by Staties is PURE BULL SHIT which you have swallowed like a juicey burger.

Like the Staties in Texas spend their time looking for things that small in the medians.......... PLUS we NEVER went near the median............ and by we I mean my roommate and our neighbor.

So, since you were not there (as I was) how do you come by your facts ??? my facts are as one with first hand knowledge.

> Is this why you slandered her on a public forum??!! Even if this article had been deliberately taken the HUMAN thing, not to mention the Rainbow thing to do would have been to go back and confront her. Had you done this you probably would have found the damn thing. More than likely, if (as you posted) it was in your friend’s vehicle, it simply fell out of the vehicle while people were getting out to assist them?

FACT: this article along with several others that were taken were TIED to the rear view mirror in the car and had been for almost 2 years so there was NO WAY it could have just fallen out, and in order for it to turn up missing it had to be UNTIED from the mirror.

And as for going back where she was is 90 miles from San Antonio and we were only 20 miles outside of SA when he noticed it was missing........... so your solution is that we turn back around....... drive another 90 miles, confront her, then drive another 90 back home.......... for one my friend had to go to work and he was already late as it was, and since I had no other way back out there then I made my decision.

So, once again where are YOUR facts ??? NOWHERE !!!!

> Could you not have given the person, who went out her way to give you a ride to the gathering, the benefit of the doubt instead of an immediate conviction of guilt and then asentence of suffering and the loss of everything she owned?}}

Let me tell you a little story about Bill (not me another one) who back in 1994 came to Boulder (where I lived at the time) who I gave the benefit of the doubt to........... I let him stay with my roommate Curtis & I while he found a job and attempted to get off the streets.

Bill was doing fine up until the time Curtis died of a grand maul seizure............ you see, Bill was stealing Curt’s Phenobarbitol (for epilepsy) and becuz Curt didn’t have his medication he died.

Now, on the same day that Curt died, Bill stole my $1000 MacIntosh laptop, my pager, my cell phone, and I have never seen him again............ Oh, but he managed to convince some in the family that it was me that killed Curt and was only b;aming him so I wouldn’t get in trouble..........

That my friend is giving someone who calls themself Rainbow the benefit of the doubt........... regardless of what anyone else says I did what I did, and she did what she did, and I make the choice not to be put in that situation again.

> You also gave your word to the brother and sister that you would return as their rescuer and help them to the gathering as they had planned to help you. I am disgusted with the thought of someone leaving anybody in that position regardless of the situation.

You were not the person who was ripped off, you were not the person put in the position to make ANY type of decisions in this matter, and you WERE NOT THERE............ that is all I have to say to you on this matter........... and now.............

yellowhand wrote:

> Myself and other brothers of the "dog' society would like names please of the perpetrator of these offenses and the last known whereabouts of same person/s. Also any evidence to support your claims in writing and signed by the victem/s.

Yellowhand,

11845 West Ave. #909
San Antonio Texas 78216
210-387-5816

That is where I am, and that is where I will be............ Oh, did I mention my roommate is a Corrections Officer ??? no, sure show up we’ll have a ball.............

TO THOSE THAT WERE NOT THERE OR HAVE NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT TOOK PLACE OR ANY OF THE PARTICULARS TRY SITTING DOWN AGAIN AND READING THE ORIGINAL POST AND THEN I WILL GO HIDE A 4” PEICE OF CLOTHE ON THE HIGHWAY SOMEWHERE HERE IN TEXAS AND YOU TRY TO GO FIND IT............ IMPOSSIBLE !!!!

Tha Preacha Bill-Y2K-

Ah, more lies from the brude........... and all three just happen to be posting at the same time........ now I know that Differance has access to AGR through Deja.......... and as for this ficticious person “jesse” what is stopping her from getting on Deja ??? it doesn’t cost......... she can even have her very own Deja.com e-mail address with which to post........... personally I think this is just 1 person posting as if it were 3.

mamaturtle wrote:

> hello, brother yellowhand. thank you for the ‘dog’ society’s interest in this event. while i do not have direct knowledge of the incident, i do know the sister involved and have never seen her do or say anything which was not (at times painfully) honest. so i agreed to let the previous post come up under my name, as the sister writing does not have an account with deja to go on agr and, given what she has seen from SOME rainbows, is not likely ever to have same. i would hope that the good folk in rainbow would pursue this ugly bit of business, but please address responses regarding it to either sister differance or jessi. Tx, mamaturtle

> hello yellowhand,
> This is Jessi. I apperciate your response to my posting. I am not versed in the proper protocols of Shanti Sena, as my first meeting with a rainbow was in Talledega, Al. I will start from the ugly beginning of my acquaintance with the victim, sister differance.

The victim here is my neighbor Jeremy who had his things stolen.

> I was working for the bureau of the census counting the migrants, this was in april of this year. I had been told that there was a rainbow gathering in the talledega forest and it fell under my area of enumeration. When i got there I found three people, Sister Differance, Brother Pathfinder, and Stryder. They had been stranded since the beginning of the gathering with vehicle trouble and had actively pursued assistance and been given ridiculous reasons for inability to help.

It seems to me that she can’t pick vehicles becuz this was the very reason we had to drive all the way out there.......... another van she bought broke down.

> We assisted them in locating a vehicle so they could continue their journey. Meanwhile differance had been in communication with Preacha Bill from San Antonio TX. He had asked them to drive out of their way to come get him and three others who wanted to get to the gathering.

The trip from Alabama to San antonio is a straight shot down I-10 and was not out of their way since in order to get to the Gathering they had to travel in this direction.

> About 70 miles before they got to San Antonio, near a town called Luling (13 miles away)they broke down.

Actually, it was at exit 642 on I-10 which is the exit for BASTROP........ boy for someone that wasn’t there you sure seem to think you know it all.

> They called Preacha Bill to assist them, since he was Rainbow Family. Meanwhile they had called me to let me know what was going on. Brother Pathfinder had told me that Preacha Bill had said that the head gasket was blown and there was no hope for the vehicle.

Yes, my roommate who was an auto mechanic at the time was the one to confirm that the ENGINE BLOCK was cracked (there was water getting into the oil pan).......... not a blown head gasket........ easy to fix a head gasket.......... not so easy to fix a cracked block......... but then again you know it all.

> Also that he was going to go rent a U-Haul to get them and the kitchen to the Nationals. Needless to say he never did show back up. If I remember correctly, he posted one of Sister Differance’s web pages that he was going to rent the U-Haul and save the day.( this is not a direct quote.) The next thing I hear is that he never came back

I e-mailed ZDragon to let him know that the van had broken down and that I would let him know what would happen the next day........... I talked it over with my neighbor & my roommates, and my sponsor and some other friends here that night, and all advised me that this was a person I was best to avoid.........so, I made the decision to take responciblity in getting myself to the Gathering.........I took GH there & back.

> and used the last of their water to put in the radiator of the van that differance and Pathfinder were driving. He told them he would be back in two hours with the U-Haul and would bring them water then. He did neither. I was 1200 miles away and could not help them.

Oh, but all this righteuos indignation now 5 months later ??!!! this happened back in the beginning of JUNE......... it’s almost OCTOBER......... your telling me that it took you guys this long to get your lie straight ???

> About five days later I spoke with the man that differance was planning to go see in washington state and he said that preacha bill had said Differance had stolen a blue graduation tassel from his friend that had driven him to assist them.

PURPLE, and a 24 carat gold cross and a solid silver St. Jude medallion........... oh, did I mention that this tassle was 4” long............. next week I’m putting 100 $100 bills out on the medians here all over Texas, and I want you to find even 1.......... right !!??

> I spoke with pathfinder and told him about this and he had not a clue to what i was referring. Needless to say she wound up losing everything she owned including her van, the kitchen(Several people put a lot of time and their own money into building this kitchen) and all of her personal possessions and was brutally beaten.

Who beat her ??? not me, not my roommate, not our neighbor......... your anger should be rightly placed in this matter on those that beat her not me.

> I do feel that it was heartless and inhumane to leave two people stranded on the side of the Hwy with false hopes of return in over 100 degree weather, with no water and little food, and then to post casting himself as an innocent victim of Differance’s duplicity!!!!

Once again, I was not the one who had been stolen from so I am in no way a victim to her, but she herself who gave me a 45 minute lecture over the phone about KARMA is a victim unto herself for her actions that day.

> I think that some sort of justice needs to be served. I will attempt to contact Pathfinder via email so that he can place his account before the public. I will research the web site to find the posting and present it as evidence if I find it. But it is counter to all american legal thinking to require the victim to prove innocence of crime.

Boy, obviously you don’t live in the USA...........

> Again I thank you for your time and concern. It renews my hope for rainbow.Please reply to personal email so that mama turtle doesn’t have bear the strain of being in the middle of a dispute. Since Preacha Bill is regular poster on agr then i assume he can be reached. Thanks again.

Sorry to say but MT has yet again put herself in the middle and I feel that she is an unwitting dupe in your little game to start trouble.

Now this confuses me........... how cam 3 people all from different parts of the US be sending this message together ??? and why isn’t Differance using here Deja account to address this issue ??? I’ll bet dollars to donuts that Path Finder will also post likewise..........

> Well... at the end of May I tried to leave Al. with my purple van,just to find out I had a blown head gasket. The radiator cap was full of oil. =( So, Sister Jessi saved me yet again and towed us back to Cedarbluff, from Trussville,Al. Immediately upon arriving back in Cedarbluff we made a mad search for a running van, as the e-mails from Preacha Bill were getting snotty, for having to wait.

Great, post these alleges “snotty” e-mails............ The only thing I was getting even remotely “snotty” about it that you wanted me to join you stupid MSNchat.......... which I reluctantly did......... and now know it was a mistake.

> So,I borrowed and bought a 82’ brown chevy van for the road. Several people told me I was crazy for going that far out of the way to pick-up Family. Yet the Key Word there was FAMILY! I feel that if it is within my power to help someone that I am obligated to do just that. And even though Texas is not between alabama & Montana,it was Family. Well,we hit the road on June 3rd,we had van problems three times in Texas ,the 3rd had us dead in the water 13 miles east of Luling,Texas. We hitched up to Love’s Truck Stop and called PB,He came a day or two later complaining that his ride was illegal and he was risking his friends and himself of police problems.

WHAT ???? now I know she’s lying becuz my friends car is vehicle is not illegal, never has been and we showed up 4 hours after she called me..........LIAR, YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR !!!! HOW DARE YOU START THIS SHIT YOU FUCKING THIEF !!!! COME TO TEXAS, PRODUCE THIS STATE TROOPER !!!! I WILL PRODUCE THE PERSON YOU STOLE FROM, HIS VEHICLE REGISTRATION, AND THEN TELL ME WHOS LYING !!!!

> He used the last of our drinking water to put in our radiator, said he wanted to try a trick. After they hemmed and hawed they decided that we wouldn’t be driving anywhere. {We already knew this after 3 days already stranded there.} He then proceeded to tell us he had good news & bad news. The bad news was the van was dead, the good news was that he would take his $400.00 and rent a U-haul,he would then be back in 2 Hours to get us, my dogs & the Kitchen gear.

I DON’T TRAVEL WITH THIEVES !!!! OR LIARS !!!!

> We asked him to leave us water or at least drop us off at the truck stop for water, he said he didn’t have the time, and besides he’ld be back in two hours anyway, then he/they left. We knew as soon as he had left that he would not be back to get us. He had been snotty and fairly unfriendly and short with us as though it was our fault the van broke down and he would HAVE TO take a Bus.

OK, first she says “he said he would get a u-haul” now she’s saying I said I had to take GH......... can’t you get your lie straight...........

Everybody knows that I took GH becuz I posted it the day before I left which was a week after that day........... if this was such a slight she had my phone number & address......... why didn’t she come to SA if I had slighted her so bad ???? by the way I still have my ticket stub which is proof that I left a week later.

> found this to be tacky and rude,yet said nothing to him since he at that point was our only HOPE. We had to hitchhike 13miles in either pouring rain {waiting up to 3 hours for a ride} or in 108 to 113 in heat temperature to make phone calls,

MORE FUCKING LIES !!!! IT JUST RAINED HERE IN TEXAS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE APRIL.......... AND WE JUST HIT AN ALLTIME STATE RECORD TEMP OF 109 DEGREES 6 DAYS AGO.......... GET YOU LIE STRAIGHT PLEASE !!!!

> get drinking water & food. 5 days after he left us Pathfinder hitched up to Love’s to call Jessi,when he returned he had this strange tale of a missing tassel that we had supposedly removed from their car. This was very confusing to us,as it took all 5 of us to push the van off the off ramp and we never saw a dark blue tassal. I has sat in the driver’s seat of the car while they looked at the van, there was no tassal, only the gold-plated piece with the graduation year on it hanging > from the rear-view mirror. Anyway,he had to go back 3 hours later to call Jessi,caz she was trying to find us some help. A few minutes after he left the State Patrol pulled up behind the van,so I went to talk to the kind officers. We chatted with them asking many questions for about 15 min.s, then the driver leaned over beneath his car and proceeded to hand me an object, asking,”Is this something you dropped ma’dam? It looks to be of importance.” then he attempted to hand it to me. I in response said,”No,Sir,yet I do know the gentleman who unfortunately lost it.” It SHOCKED me so badly that I withdrew my hand when he reached out to hand it to me. After they left I went back to the van,all freaked out about what had happened. An hour & a half later I went back to where they had been and picked the tassal up then placed it on the dashboard of the van. I wish I could say that I still had it, yet the chain of events that followed I no longer have it.

Hmmmmm, she tells the officer she knows who lost it & she has a number where I can be reached but doesn’t tell him this.......... how convenient and so then the cop just leaves it there........right........ and then she just happens to go out & pick it up...........COME ON........

> That night the Brother with me beat me within inches of my life. {I have scars to remind me}

And this is my fault ???? NOT !!!! try taking you lying anger out on him..........

> The next day we went to get the rest of the stuff from my van and the van had been STOLEN! =( A week into staying with this woman she bailed out the brother that beat me, these people put me thru HELL. I borrowed money for a bus ticket back to Al. ,just to find out that they Killed BOTH of my Dogs while I was on the Bus back here.

Who killed you dogs ???? was it me ??? was it my neighbor ??? was it my roommate ??? NO IT WASN’T............ just like a thief to cloud what really happened with shit like this so that they look the innocent victim..........

> Love at work
> mamaturtle

LOVE AT WORK !!!??? what are you smoking ???!!! her story is so full of lies that it isn’t funny and she & this “Jesse” are now trying to stir people up to violence against me ???!!! and you back them ???!!! to me you are no better than they are..........I can refute EVERY single one of her lies but all they can do is place the blame on me and my friends who she offended.

Come on, bring it on down becuz I have my proof all she has is SHIT !!!!

Tha Preacha Bill -Y2K-

Dear Mamaturtle,

Regarding this thread that is about your friends, I just wanted to voice that I don’t think that this newsgroup is the proper place to try and convict a person or to resolve this situation.

I’m not taking sides on this issue, it’s just that expecting the newgroup to take action is like expecting the bulletin board at the local grocery story to take action.

Your friend has not continued to include her email address in these posts so I can not explain this to her directly. I would appreciate it if you forward this message to her.

Having read her allegations, I’m not sure what she is accusing Preacher Mike of, except saying he was coming back and then not returning - which while it may be totally uncool, sure ain’t a crime. And of course the theft of a tassle (which is petty theft if true).

The Rainbow family is not set up to handle situations like this - situations that did not happen at a gathering, are not dealt with at the time the situation occurred and that don’t really break any laws. We are not a legal entity that can take action, nor can we hold court on the Internet.

Sounds like a confusing and ugly situation all the way around if for no other reason than the heat. I fall apart once it hits 80 degrees so I can sympthasize with the horror of being left on the side of the road when it was pushing 100.

Love,
Karin

Karin Zirk wrote:

> Having read her allegations, I’m not sure what she is accusing Preacher Mike of, except saying he was coming back and then not returning - which while it may be totally uncool, sure ain’t a crime. And of course the theft of a tassle (which is petty theft if true).

OK, pholks lets get this right before it gets to far out of hand........... I am Preacha with an “A” he’s Preacher with an “ER”........... my name is Bill his name is Mike........... I was the one that left them there.............

Tha Preach”A” Bill -Y2K-

Karin Zirk wrote:

> Dear Mamaturtle,
> Regarding this thread that is about your friends, I just wanted to voice that I don't think that this newsgroup is the proper place to try and convict a person or to resolve this situation.

I agree. “He/she done me wrong” kind of complaints serve no purpose here, and end up perpetuating rumors based on he said/she said scenarios. Unfair to all and usually counterproductive.

Preacha sez:

> OK, pholks lets get this right before it gets to far out of hand........... I am Preacha with an “A” he’s Preacher with an “ER”........... my name is Bill his name is Mike........... I was the one that left them there.............

Huh? what did I do now?

I’m in Virginia, the check is in the mail, my dog ate it, my nephew lost it, I was sick that day, etc ...

-----------------------------------------
“The me I used to think of as being
myself has slowly been replaced by
the self I seem to be today.”
- - Arlo Guthrie

Karin sez in part::

Wasn’t me, I was in class ...

oh ... NOW I get it,

Oh PREACHA!!!

could youse get these folks to take this inter-personal stuff elsewhere?

Thanks, PM

Preacher Mike wrote:

> Oh PREACHA!!!
> could youse get these folks to take this inter-personal stuff elsewhere?

I’m out of this topic.......... what others do from this post on is their own choice.......... I would have been more than willing to use e-mail to take care of this but others chose to make it a public debate......... I will not respond again to any of these posts or threads concerning this issue.

Tha Preacha Bill -Y2K-

PB posts in part:

> I’m out of this topic.......... what others do from this post on is their own choice..........

that’s kewl ...

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There was an incident at Rainbow that left me a little peeved, and I thought I would share it here and see what you all think. My Friend’s Mother has a Winnebago..and she drove it to the Gathering, she parked it..but then there was talk to maybe bring it over to Handicap, and so she tried to take it there. There was a point where the Handicap thing was looking undoable, since there space between the trees didn’t seem to accommodate the Winnebago. and so, My Friend’s mother went back to where she was parked and went to talk to the Brother about moving his car a mere 10 feet forward and then move it back. This Brother responded in such a un-rainbow like way, saying that it was just too bad that we couldn’t make it into the handicap and that we should look for parking in back of the lot. The space was still there and unused, but this guy decided to be a parking lot ogre and even referred to my Friend’s Mother, whose a very nice and sweet Earth Mother as a “jerk”. My friend went to talk to the Parking lot ogre, who told my friend to shut up and to let him speak, and ranted about moving his car numerous times <never happened> and that his mother was a jerk. My friend then made the point about how he didn’t think that the parking lot ogre’s attitude was very rainbow, at which point the Parking lot Ogre somehow did a silent Santa Sinai and my friend was hassled by warlike talkie having guys telling him he needs to cool down, even thought he was calm. My friend then went on to explain the situation and was told how he should have respect for the parking lot ogre because he was a “Rainbow elder”

Now, I had a first hand dealing with this Parking lot Ogre jerk, and he was a jerk. and this also hits on something that is a pet peeve to me. Because this parking lot ogre is some high elder with rainbow, I’m suppose to eat his shit and push on??!?!?!

Well, let me put it this way, out here in the world, I make it a point to question authority, whether its a Cop, Teacher, or some other authority figure. Now this parking lot ogre somehow has some kind of high elder status in a non-entity group. loll that sounds smart!

ah well, later..:)

Roister T. Oyster

P.S it ended up working ok, no help from the parking lot ogre..

“Insane Fish Love” <insan...@mfx.net> wrote in message news:6z8X8.31909$iX5.1366025@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...

> My Friend’s Mother has a Winnebago..and she drove it to the Gathering, she parked it..but then there was talk to maybe bring it over to Handicap, and so she tried to take it there.

I am the friend, and the mother in question is mine.

> My friend went to talk to the Parking lot ogre, who told my friend to shut up and to let him speak, and ranted about moving his car numerous times <never happened> and that his mother was a jerk.

He actually walked over to a conversation that didn’t include him and said “I have the feather now, so shut up.” and I said “Ok, go ahead and speak, but there’s no feather here...” and he proceeded to berate me and my mom about how he was a Rainbow and we’re just jerks, I didn’t want to be abused by him, so said I didn’t want to talk to him and that in my opinion, we saw things completely differently, and he said “Shush! No interruptions! I have the Feather!!” and I said “No, you don’t...you’re delusional, there is no feather, you are in my camp-site shouting at me and my mother and being abusive.” so he then went into a long delusional litany of his behavior being “Rainbow” and how he helped us get in (he didn’t and was pretty curt and rude when we arrived, and said “Make sure YOU move my tent out of the way” and then “Move the bottom!” and such as we were parking [where his tent was never in any danger and the parking crew asked HIM to move it}), Welcomed us Home (He NEVER said Welcome Home or any other nice thing when we arrived), Moved his car in-and-out 4 times for us (complete bullshit...he didn’t move his car when we arrived, and moved it out once so the Camper could get to Handi-Camp and then back into his spot). Instead of arguing, I said “Ok, fine, you leave out that we let you put a tarp on our camper for shade, and that we put the camper where you asked so you COULD park there (not a bus or live-in vehicle I might add), but even if you were RAINBOW for all of that, you think being right is more important than screwing a 63 yr. old lady and calling her a jerk, and RIGHT NOW, that makes you a FUCKING ASSHOLE.” At which point I went over to see how things were going with the camper...when I came back, he started saying stuff again, and I said, he wasn’t going to change my mind and that he is a mean old jerk and the most UN-Rainbow person I’d met...said it calmly...and started walking troward my Trailer when a guy with a walkie-talkie comes up and says I need to cool down and that violence isn’t the answer and shit....I was not yelling, I was not taking an intimidating stance, and had just walked AWAY from the guy...Shanti-Sena Walkie Talkie Guy then takes me the opposite way and is talking like I flipped out and was a maniac and says “Listen, this guy is 60-something years old and there is another guy who is 74 and they have been going to gatherings for years and are “Rainbow Elders” and should be treated with respect...” to which I replied “Respect is earned, and he didn’t earn mine...” ... “Well, I think you should take a walk and cool off and let this drop, because he isn’t moving his vehicle” and I walked away...

> My friend then made the point about how he didn’t think that the parking lot ogre’s attitude was very rainbow, at which point the Parking lot Ogre somehow did a silent Santa Sinai and my friend was hassled by warlike talkie having guys telling him he needs to cool down, even thought he was calm. My friend then went on to explain the situation and was told how he should have respect for the parking lot ogre because he was a “Rainbow elder”

> Now, I had a first hand dealing with this Parking lot Ogre jerk, and he was a jerk. and this also hits on something that is a pet peeve to me. Because this parking lot ogre is some high elder with rainbow, I’m suppose to eat his shit and push on??!?!?!

That was exactly the message I received.

> Well, let me put it this way, out here in the world, I make it a point to question authority, whether its a Cop, Teacher, or some other authority figure. Now this parking lot ogre somehow has some kind of high elder status in a non-entity group. loll that sounds smart!

Every group of size has cliques...This was an example.

> ah well, later..:)
> Roister T. Oyster
> P.S it ended up working ok, no help from the parking lot ogre..

No, it was actually the wonderful and miraculous NZane who saved the day with his magic...That’s another story for another post....but NZane TRULY did magic...I saw it with my own disbelieving eyes...

loopi, who thinks NZane is SO cool!!

Dude, did he actually say that “he had the feather”?!?!

LOL

That reminds me of a Gathering I went to in Oregon..I think it was 96...anyhow, I emerged from my tent one morning and I had with me some Pecan Sandies. I walked to a group of people in a circle and offered them Pecan Sandies. One of the people, a young man, was really aggravated because some of the circle was now talking to me and he kept pointing out how he had “The rock”, which I guess was some type of focal object, and therefore, it was his turn to be talking. I replied by telling him I had a cookie and he could have one. hahahahaha He ended up accepting the cookie, discarding the ‘rock”, and there was great rejoicing.

On a seperate issue, I think that those people who put up sticks to block out your Mom’s RV were completely out of line, that place would have had enough room for her RV and then some, and I later saw that space filled with other cars and stuff.

I have to agree with you once again, regarding Nzane, the man shows magic here there and everywhere. using supercool magic parking movie to get an RV through an impossible pass, and then talking to a certain inebriated brother about how his trip was freaking out people, which ended up changing that whole movie to a much better one. Nzane is the man!

Royster T. Oyster

“Insane Fish Love” <insan...@mfx.net> wrote in message news:6z8X8.31909$iX5.1366025@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...

> There was an incident at Rainbow that left me a little peeved, and I thought I would share it here and see what you all think.

I think the whole movie sucked big time. The last time that happened to me was at a Nat’l. I had made it past the one gate ogre who wasn’t really an ogre but a very particularly nice guy who had been informed by the other gate-keeping real ogres down the hill to permit no one to pass (except, as I would come to find out, their hand-picked compadres who would arrive later). I started running shuttle with my bus, (wearing out the clutch and breaking the bell housing) from the distant lots (about 3 to 5 miles out), at which point I became ‘official’ in the eyes of Whoever Was Wearing The Stripes, and so was permitted through the previously mentioned first gate in order to discharge passengers at the bottom of the hill. There was a great turnaround there, and, I noticed, a perfect space for my bus, behind some other buses, and there was access to get into it as well. Now on one of my prior foot trips down the hill, a ‘500 pound gorilla’ loudmouth was telling me I couldn’t bring my bus down there. So on with the shuttle trip - after my last run of the day, and having passed once again through the first gate, I fetched up in that magical clearly earmarked-for-a-bus parking space I’d wanted before, and so I just kind of ‘weaseled’ my way in, got completely backed-in and parked, got my dogs out and tied up and watered, and just started breathing in the sweet mountain air after the long, hot, dusty, shuttle-duty day, when here comes the ‘500-pound gorilla’ and exclaims,

“You can’t park that bus there!”

Surprised, I backed away from the bus and scrutinized it carefully, checking all around and up and down, really all over the place, and came back and asked the ‘500-pound gorilla’,

“Are you sure? Because it looks like it’s parked to me!”

Hoo boy. Not a happy camper, and no amount of discussion would dissuade this person from arguing, nor the fellow in the bus in front of me that was parked behind the bus in front of him that was parked behind the bus in front of them and etc. Seems this fellow didn’t like being blocked in, despite the fact that everyone else was blocking everyone else in, himself included. Well, so I shunned all this bullshit and went on into the gather, checked out a spot for my tipi and then at the end of the evening went back to my bus, cranked it up and took it back up the hill to the 2nd bus village, resolving that I’d much prefer to have friendlier neighbors, since the choice was mine to make.

The funny part is that Mr. Bad-Ass-Dude-With-A-Following showed up on site a few days later, and took for himself that spot that had been being saved for him all along, and I noted with interest the ‘network’ I was not, and was not ever going to be, a part of.

The moral of the story is something like, maybe it’s better to just let the ogres have their little good-‘ol-boy party and go hang with the friendly folks.

The people in question were all associates of a Major Personality Around Town, who shall remain nameless.

Thunder

Thunder wrote:

> I think the whole movie sucked big time. The last time that happened to me was at a Nat’l. I had made it past the one gate ogre who wasn’t really an ogre but a very particularly nice guy who had been informed by the other gate-keeping real ogres down the hill to permit no one to pass (except, as I would come to find out, their hand-picked compadres who would arrive later).

Montana 2000.. running a shuttle for passengers, water, food and trash I came back into the gathering and hit the cut off for the lower bus village where handicamp was located. I was stopped cold by a very drunk and loud brother telling me there was no way I could go back down there. I explained that I was a shuttle that I had been coming and going for days and that I was also in a wheelchair and my camp was down in lower bus village. This didn’t seem to matter. This fella had orders from some higher power!

I put my van in gear and slowly moved forward.. He actually tried to hold my 350 engine in low gear at bay with his body as I inched forward. Needless to say I made it back to camp only to have to deal with a small army of loud drunks a few minutes later pushing their way through handicamp in a loud righteous parade proclaiming that all the vehicles must go! I as well as all the other disabled happy campers just sat and smiled at them until they ran out of steam and departed.

Sometimes it comes down to a test of wills I guess.

Love INane - dedicated to Sanity :)

“NZane” <nz...@hotsprgs.net< wrote in message news:3D2FC9D9.15351E44@hotsprgs.net...

> Love INane - dedicated to Sanity :)

Minnesota - I was with a Lady friend of mine, and she had some heavy kitchen supplies that needed to be loaded into her vehicle. a hells angels looking brother told her..”I’ll let you in, but if you end up keeping your car in there, I will find your car and slash all the tires.” When I first heard this, I was shocked that someone would be making threats, at all places, at a rainbow gathering.

Is it far fetched to suggestion that perhaps there are those at the gatherings who take advantage of allot of the rainbow’s “Peace. love, and happiness” trip to the point of being intimidating jerks?

I was walking down the path and I greeted a Brother by saying,”Hey Brother, how’s it doing?”

He replied by saying,”How’s it going, Skinny?” admittingly, This peeved me a bit since I am overweight and am a bit sensitive about that issue, I looked the brother in the eyes and said,”What did you say?!”

He replied,”I said How’s it going?”

Its kind of a shame that even at Rainbow, once has to deal with these kind of things.

BTW, I know I have put a few gripes here and there, and I’m not trying to be negative or anything, I’m just communicating some of these experiences in the hopes that maybe Brothers and Sisters who have said or done things without thinking realize how much they hurt their brothers and sisters.

loving you,
Royster T. Oyster

> Minnesota - I was with a Lady friend of mine, and she had some heavy kitchen supplies that needed to be loaded into her vehicle. a hells angels looking brother told her..”I’ll let you in, but if you end up keeping your car in there, I will find your car and slash all the tires.”

I’ve been known to “bounce” a vehicle with the assistance of a few friends into the trees in such a way to demand a tow-truck or chain-saw to free it.

Why? The driver used some “rap” to park where they pleased, or used a weak line like you did and then keep the vehicle on site.

You could have gone in and got help, brought a wheelbarrow or some other manner of sending the supplies in ...

“Insane Fish Love” wrote in message news:4GUX8.66062$iB1.3509563@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...>

You hit the nail on the head. That’s the same gathering I spoke of. There were a few other, similar movies going on. Maybe I also ran into the character you spoke of, who, while handing out individual plums to a line of gatherers passing down main trail, was heard to command “Move along!”, repeatedly. The same character with the ‘celebrity’ bus with the reserved space.

I think a mistake gets made sometimes when people want to know who’s who at the gather, for some folks instinctively gravitate towards whom they may think to be a ‘power broker’. There have been many, and no doubt still are - which all lends an air of hubris to some, who, even if new to the scene, then feel they are associated with ‘notables’ and therefore somehow above the common agreements and able to wield power also. I’ve seen it, it happens, and that’s no lie. In addition the court of public opinion loves to swallow up the surface stuff because it’s so nice and rosy, and if power brokers get called on their shit at some point, a popular rally in support of the ‘personality’ ensues, while the ‘miscreant’ criticizer is accused of ‘sacrilege’, or some other such hoo ha.

> Is it far fetched to suggestion that perhaps there are those at the gatherings who take advantage of allot of the rainbow’s “Peace. love, and happiness” trip to the point of being intimidating jerks?

Far fetched? Not by a long shot, IMO.

> loving you,
> Royster T. Oyster

Same to ya R, and thanks.

-T-

Preacher Mike wrote:

> I’ve been known to “bounce” a vehicle with the assistance of a few friends into the trees in such a way to demand a tow-truck or chain-saw to free it.
> Why? The driver used some “rap” to park where they pleased, or used a weak line like you did and then keep the vehicle on site.

So......

If, in the process of gathering, you decide that I owe you some kind of explanation as to my actions, and if you decide that you dont like my story, then you would feel free to round up some like-minded (pompous, judgemental) gorillas, and put my vehicle into such a position that I required either a chainsaw( i dont have one) or a tow truck (requiring funds which I dont have)? At any rate, major grief and difficulties for me, based on...what? Your opinion? And who the hell are you?

Vandalism is vandalism. Happy rainbow to you too...

your everluvin os

> If, in the process of gathering, you decide that I owe you some kind of explanation as to my actions, and if you decide that you dont like my story, then you would feel free to round up some like-minded (pompous, judgemental) gorillas, and put my vehicle into such a position that I required either a chainsaw( i dont have one) or a tow truck (requiring funds which I dont have)?

I was offering an alternative view of the circumstances you portrayed. Vehicles are not allowed on site, yet there are always some who feel above consensus. You do not know how much abuse the fellow you interacted with had dealt with before your arrival.

I am not saying you did not have some reason to feel concern ...

If others can pack out their equipment you could too.

If, by chance, you had your equipment piled at the head of the trail, the fellow was doing you a favor to let you through. If you were using the line as a ploy to park down in an area you really should not have, oh well ... your vehicle was moved off the road wasn’t it?

Oh, who am I? A fellow who has seen the man tow more than one vehicle and impound it because the drivers did not listen to the parking lot crew. You believe what you want ...

By the way, the vehicle in question that was moved wasn’t vandalized, it wasn’t harmed, it was just “reparked”

os wrote:

> So......
> If, in the process of gathering, you decide that I owe you some kind of explanation as to my actions, and if you decide that you dont like my story, then you would feel free to round up some like-minded (pompous, judgemental) gorillas, and put my vehicle into such a position that I required either a chainsaw( i dont have one) or a tow truck (requiring funds which I dont have)?

Amen sister os.. When I first approached the family to help me focalize handicamp this year I was offered assistance to clear some parking by the front gate, by force if necessary. I gently declined stating that the disabled access parking movie would happen with cooperation and compassion or I would have nothing to do with it. Tossing someone’s auto into a ditch is so ugly and limp-dick macho that I have to quote sister Snarla here “Please forgive me while I go throw up!” A real soul chunk hurler 4 sure!

Shaking my head at the unworkable lazy thought process - NZane

Preacher Mike wrote:

> By the way, the vehicle in question that was moved wasn’t vandalized, it wasn’t harmed, it was just “reparked”

Bullshit PM!! You made your intention very clear that you were not simply moving the auto but intended the owner harm!! Double talk and poppy-cock!

UNZane - ty chuck b :)

> Why? The driver used some “rap” to park where they pleased, or used a weak line like you did and then keep the vehicle on site. You could have gone in and got help, brought a wheelbarrow or some other manner of sending the supplies in ...

First off, Preacher Mike, I think its a very judgmental of you to be referring to what this woman said as a “weak line”, when you have no idea what’s up.

And second off, If were talking about my personal property, I love my Brothers and Sisters...but if someone is doing destruction to my property...that strikes me as a time to start putting my foot up someone’s ass...still loving you, Brother, But I will not tolerate someone breaking my shit....and if I caught someone slashing my tires??? I hate to say it, folks, but we might very well end up being some fighting rainbows at that point..:)

I think people like yourself, Preacher Mike, need to realize that allot of us are very peaceful and tolerant of others. But that does not mean you can walk over us or destroy our property. That does not seem a very rainbow thing at all.

I suppose from people reading this thread, I received an email I would like to share with you, I have withheld the Brother or Sister’s name. If they want to be known, they can speak up.

Email received 7/13/2002

at the nm... i saw cars that had their tires slashed cause... they were parked passed a no parking pass this point sign... later a-campers were offereing to fix the tires...for a fee..

Now, Preacher Mike, is this the kind of thing that you and your “friends” do??

How very rainbow of you.

Still loving you, Brother, even though you seem a big of a thug.

Royster T. Oyster

> Bullshit PM!! You made your intention very clear that you were not simply moving the auto but intended the owner harm!! Double talk and poppy-cock!
> UNZane - ty chuck b :)

Whatever,

Had I meant the owner harm, I would have left it alone and watched it get towed away by the man, or let the irate personalities do their will upon it.

Instead, I offered an alternative ... by the way, since no one asked, I’ll also offer that a vehicle was moved out much the same as it was moved in. BUT only after the person who had flipped off the parking lot crew got a thorough chewing out by a circle of folks who gathered at the owner’s cries for assistance. It seems all of the neighbors felt much the same as the folks who tried to keep the vehicle from coming up into the site ...

After the person admitted their mistake, I walked over and showed them how to get the vehicle out. The person has since been respectful of others.

You were not there, I was ...

> I think people like yourself, Preacher Mike, need to realize that allot of us are very peaceful and tolerant of others. But that does not mean you can walk over us or destroy our property. That does not seem a very rainbow thing at all.

The vehicle was not harmed, just “thoroughly parked.”

I do not condone any form of vandalism, and those who know me are aware of this ...

Preacher Mike wrote:

> Whatever,
> Had I meant the owner harm, I would have left it alone and watched it get towed away by the man, or let the irate personalities do their will upon it.

Ya know every time I see someone use the expression “whatever” I know they have run out of ideas, options and validations for their particular argument. If you really want your cake and eat it to, become a baker.

Your logic reeks of a protection racket. You’ll hurt them for their own good.

Time after time is see this situation where someone will condemn another’s actions then turn and do something just as unsavory or worse. How is it that their crimes are not sanctioned but yours are?

Try again PM.. you keep missing the “Good Guy” bus!

Love, NZane

Preacher Mike wrote:

> The vehicle was not harmed, just “thoroughly parked.”
> I do not condone any form of vandalism, and those who know me are aware of this ...

The lights are on but no one is home.. again. I don’t know you except for what you post here and in your own words if you placed the auto in a situation where a tow truck or chain saw was required to remove it I consider your actions to be small spirited and criminal.

How many personalities are in there with you PM? Or were you just taking out your ass when you said that?

Love, UNZane

> Try again PM.. you keep missing the “Good Guy” bus!
> Love, NZane

Not interested in your “GOOD GUY” bus, list, whatever ...

I am not now nor have I ever been a politician, try again ......

> How many personalities are in there with you PM? Or were you just taking out your ass when you said that?
> Love, NZane

ROFLMAO!!!

Preacher Mike wrote:

> Not interested in your “GOOD GUY” bus, list, whatever ...
I am not now nor have I ever been a politician, try again ......

Then for GAWDZ sakes stop trying to justify your behaviors and just cop to being an asshole!

it’s all good!

UNZane

> Then for GAWDZ sakes stop trying to justify your behaviors and just cop to being an asshole!

ROFLMAO

This fellow must have just got off the bus ...

I never try to justify my actions and you must be new here to not know that I have always freely admitted to being an ASSHOLE

“The only truly stable state is one in which
all are equally accountable under the law.”
- Aristotle

Preacher Mike wrote:

> This fellow must have just got off the bus ...
> I never try to justify my actions and you must be new here to not know that I have always freely admitted to being an ASSHOLE

Not new.. been here almost 5 years off and on.. and you were trying to justify/validate.. and I too am an asshole.. well make that magnificent asshole to you pal :)

Love, NZane

> Love, NZane

<plonk>

One thing needs to be pointed out to those who feel *wronged* by parking volunteers. You are at a gathering of INDIVIDUALS. Any decision you make about where to park is just as fine as any other individual’s opinion. Well...your choice needs to be reasonable - don’t park others in without permission unless you’re staying put, and don’t park in the road, and above all Nobody wants a drive-in gathering. Wherever you park, don’t expect complete acceptance and/or any parked vehicle to move and accomodate yours.

Have you ever heard of “his bark is worse than his bite?” How about spreading some loving kindness or offer to help out if some *ogre* disagrees with you? Reason it through after showing your colors and bellybutton. Burn a nug. Offer to shuttle. Treat ‘em like family. It works wonders with Rainbow types...

Best reaction - Do what thou wilt. Park it! Then discuss and negotiate further if need be - but be firm (not argumentative) in your stance if you wish to stay parked.

Worst reaction - Set up an Us vs. *ogres* movie. The *ogres* will likely win.

Luvnu,
* DragonJon *

DragonJonJuan wrote:

> Have you ever heard of “his bark is worse than his bite?” How about spreading some loving kindness or offer to help out if some *ogre* disagrees with you? Reason it through after showing your colors and bellybutton. Burn a nug. Offer to shuttle. Treat ‘em like family. It works wonders with Rainbow types...

OK so how about we bring a beer... you know, ...like bringing a steak for the guard dog when yer breakin in to the bank... we jus toss it out the window to ‘im and while he’s messin with that ...we go park!

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
-James Madison

“Locutus Reflex” <a...@nospam-greggy.com> wrote in message news:3D324F1C.BE5AB7FD@nospam-greggy.com...

> OK so how about we bring a beer... you know, ...like bringing a steak for the guard dog when yer breakin in to the bank... we jus toss it out the window to ‘im and while he’s messin with that ...we go park!

See - now you’re getting the idea!

If he glugs the whole beer down in one adam’s -apple-quivering draught, you might even get it parked just as the alkyhol hits him and he looks up from the beer, forgetting what the argument was about. If he appears to be ready to begin the argument again, tell him - one sec, bro, and pop another chillybrew that’ll cinch it. (humor)

Locutus Reflex wrote:

Hahahhaaa.. can’t fault the logic!!!!

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