New Waveland Café part 7

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The New Waveland Café – part 7

On front page of here
http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/

Is this picture of Deann and Amazing Dave.
http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/aptimages/Police.jpg

The story, without picture for some reason is here.
http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/viewFeature.cfm?recid=55

Hawker

This is outrageous!!

If the major media picks this up (hint hint), Rainbow would recieve a lot of exposure of incidents that are common place to us.

Much love to De Anne, Dave, Rob, Felipe. Shanta Sena, all of them.

Nightshade wrote:

> Much love to De Anne, Dave, Rob, Felipe. Shanta Sena, all of them.

double...love here. Felipe, “they shouldn’t be in law enforcement if they can’t control themselves”

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Terry Richards wrote:

> double...love here. Felipe, “they shouldn’t be in law enforcement if they can’t control themselves”

Screw it..I’m so pissed,

Just passed that news link, as well as, this one,
http://www.gulfcoastnews.com/GCNnewsKatrinaHancock15.htm

to every major news organization I could come up with. Not that I have much hope, they are “Major News Organizations”, and if they can’t get their story around a 3-5 minute sound bite, than forget it.

Maybe BBC will pick it up;-)

Nightshade wrote:

> Screw it..I’m so pissed,
> Just passed that news link, as well as, this one,
> http://www.gulfcoastnews.com/GCNnewsKatrinaHancock15.htm

local news too!
good idea!

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Good Idea,

I was able to post a few messages to New Orlean’s news stations.

Nightshade wrote:

> to every major news organization I could come up with. Not that I have much hope, they are “Major News Organizations”, and if they can’t get their story around a 3-5 minute sound bite, than forget it.
> Maybe BBC will pick it up;-)

if enuff locals make enuff noise it is better than the AP running with it. the AP and other “mno” seem to be getting lost in the mix anyhows

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Not exactly the same subject, but close in spirit.... today on Fox (!) cable news, this story: “ New Wave M.A.S.H. unit saving lives in Mississippi”... Dang if it didn’t look/sound like Subkommander Dred and his buddy Stone.

Here’s what’s funny: the reporter was impressed, and mentioned that it was a purely non-official effort, no leaders or organization as the “normal” world would understand it. The reporter waxed almost lyrical in his praise....

And though I watched that frightful channel for hours afterward I never saw more on the subject. Reminds me of the unedited newsfilm we used to see on CBS with Rather from VietNam in the wee hours of the mornings that somehow never showed up on the Evening News...

But someone did notice. And I noticed them noticing. I can’t be the only one.

peace,
mt

mamaturtle wrote:

> But someone did notice. And I noticed them noticing. I can’t be the only one.

i read some of the other posts by mark proulx as his name caught my attention, specifically ‘cause of a book i read called “The Shipping News” by E Anne Proulx. excellent book if you ever have the chance. it’s a small world. love commander dreds writings too.

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Articles and photos also posted here:

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http://community.webtv.net/landinglight/handdelivery

Oh my god.

You all are beautiful.

Thank you;

Kinda

“kinda” <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1129179002.542947.221980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Oh my god.
> You all are beautiful.
> Thank you;
> Kinda

and on the new front (WELCOMEHOME CAFE) NEW NEWS FROM ROB::::::

Oct 12: from New Orleans

I’m sitting outside the medical tent using a wifi spot I found from a local B&B. :-) Last night after my update things got interesting. The local teamsters came by with two truck loads of food. Since there headquarters is across the street, they’ve adopted us. Today they brought several more trucks loads of supplies, like coolers for food, more food, and a load of Red Cross boxes we can give folks that come back to realize there is nowhere to go. We’ve ben getting a steadily increasing stream of people returning. Today the lower 9th Ward was opened, but they are only letting people in to grab a few things from the house, and then they have to leave.

We’ve now got our distribution area going, just in time for people coming back. The shelters that were setup around the state are all closing this week, so folks have to come home, assuming they have one still... Now that we cleared the playground of all the debris, we had children playing in the park today. The sounds of laughing children having fun again is nice.

I just heard the teamsters are on their way with a semi-truck of supplies! This small relief center is so different than the one on Waveland. In Waveland, many of the locals are pretty traumatized and have nothing left. They really needed the type of support that’s been going on there for weeks. Here we’re part of the neighborhood, and the neighborood is supporting us so we can support them. We’re all in this together.

Tomorrow our 22ft trailer shows up for the clinic, as well as the rest of our medical supplies and staff. At that point we’ll feel ready to handle whatever comes our way.

Early in the morning we had somebody picking through the kitchen. One of the folks from the kitchen tried to talk to him without success, and then woke me up where I was sleeping in the medical tent. When I got up to say hi, he got very aggressive and started screaming at us. Then we remembered this was the person that we had had a problem with his dogs being left here for 12 hours unattended. When I asked him to please take care of his dogs, as we are a small crew, and don’t really have the time to keep taking care of his dogs. At this point he went ballistic. We just ignored his attempts to incite us into violence, and since it was obvious he was trying to provoke us, the two of us sat in the kitchen just hanging out while he ranted and raved.

He got frustrated we weren’t responding the way he wanted, so he turned on his boom-box full volume, while walking up and down the street yelling “Nazis!” at the top of his lungs. Occasionally he’d come in and claim something he had left in the park, and smash it in the road. We quietly put up with this for 2 hours. Since his behaviour at this point was consistant, about 4am I quietly slipped over the fence around the park, and even though it was *way* past curfew, went down the street 5 blocks to where I knew the National Guard had a night-shift station. They responded quickly and came to our rescue. Turns out the guy was drunk, and coked out of his mind. We didn’t want to have him arrested, as we’d be stuck with his dogs for a few days, and it seemed a bit much... so instead he finally got the hint that his presence in our space would not be tolerated. Since then things have been mellow.

- rob -

more from rob::::

10: Update from Washington Square

I’m sitting here in the “Welcome Home Cafe” in the 9th ward of New Orleans. We had a great crew from the Waveland Cafe come down yesterday and helped us get this new relief center going. We served our first meal this morning, and just finished up lunch for everyone. Right now we’re being entertained by Saxaphone Joe, from Kiddie Village’s, New Orleans style Jazz band the Vipers. It seems appropriate here a few blocks from the French Quarter, especially since the band lives in this area as well. The local teamsters (chapter 270) came through a little while ago with a front end loader and some dump trucks, and we’ve managed to get enough of the downed trees out of the way to have enough space finally.

We’ve getting getting a mix of locals, fire-fighters, and national guard folks today here at the kitchen, and have. treated a few people for medical conditions already. We’ve also been getting a ton of help from Food Not Bombs, and have connected with the Common Ground folks setup in Algiers.

It’s a bit unreal being here in New Orleans. Where we are now got mostly only wind damage, so other than that, things look mostly undamaged walking around if you ignore the piles of debris. Yet only a few blocks from here in the lower 9th Ward there is still no power or water as it was underwater. There are still people living on MREs, so they’re glad to see a free food kitchen.

We just got a semi-truck load of water and ice, which was really welcome. Unfortunately the local police supervisor just came by toevict us. I can’t barely believe that here in a disaster area I’m being harrased for not having a permit! After I got read the riot act, they went after Dee Ann of Barefoot Doctor’s Academy,. When they refused to show their ID, and they had taken off their name badges she told them to identify themselves using our PA system or leave!

About this time the local National Guard folks from Missouri that had been by for breakfast and coffee talked to the officer and got him to realize there was nothing he could do, and that he should leave. Which he did! Pretty amazing. The Captain said everything was OK, and they wanted us to feed and do medical care for folks, since nobody else was in this area. Turns out the Red Cross serves only one meal a day, and you better like sandwhiches... the same ones every day... Anyway, our perimeter is now protected by the National Guard. :-)

Then another amazing stroke of luck happened. A semi-truck pulled up driven by the Ohio Teamsters, chapter 20 (sorry if I got the number wrong) full of bottled water! So then we unloaded 16 tons of water with the teamsters and the National Guard. They’ve got us another truck full of ice parked outside the park we’re all setup in. Since most of the restaurants aren’t open yet, all the local workers come by to eat lunch.

We also got alot of help today from the Common Ground folks in Algiers. We were a little low on medical supplies after the morning, so they brought me a large care package of boo-boo supplies. Several locals had bad infected cuts that were days and weeks old, and we were the first real care they got. The Common Cause folks also dropped me off a box of 802.11b wireless gear, so tomorrow I’ll be scouting out rooftops to setup on and get the new Welcome Home Cafe cybercafe up and online. :-)

Oct 11: Update from Washington Square

Things are really starting to come together here now. We’ve got an Info booth setup, banners huge, and “Free Community Kitchen - Free Food” signs everywhere. We fed probably twice as many people as we did yesterday. The National Guard is out hunting for some porta-potties for us, as the ons that were nearby at the Fire Station are now gone. We’ve become part of the neighborhood around here. The neighbors are helping us with finding the things on our wish list, including a disco ball! :-)

People from the lower 9th Ward are still banned from returning to what’s left of their homes, so with no place to eat, they’re all glad we’re here. As people bring more and more stuff to distribute, one of the locals is building a box and shelves for a distribution area. We got a real medical area up and running today, although it luckily hasn’t ben busy at all. But if it does suddenly, we’re ready now. As the city and health dept gave us permission to be here, we have a donated 22 ft trailer showing up in a day or so to use as a larger medical clinic. Especially since our focus here is prenatal and young children care, we needed a clean space. I hotwired the lamp posts in the park for free juice, so we’re powered up, without having to listen to the generators all the time like in Waveland.

There’s alot of tension now after the incident on Bourdon street from the other night. Cops are more rare, and there seems to be many more National Guard folks around. Course after our little excitement from yesterday, we’re glad to see em. Lunch today was amusing as we got a shift of the local contracters working on restoring services and cleaning up. So at one point most of our dining tent area as full of hard hats, which was amusing. They said they’ve been barely eating since they aren’t FEMA or the Red Cross, so they’ve been on their own.

- rob -

This might be no more than Rainbow rumor,

While talking with the folks at Waveland, there is a possibility that the Red Cross were totaling the man hours put in by the people on site and claiming them for themselves for reimbursement from FEMA.

This, if correct, wouldn’t suprise me at all.

“Nightshade” <nightsh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1129237479.542828.140830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> While talking with the folks at Waveland, there is a possibility that the Red Cross were totaling the man hours put in by the people on site and claiming them for themselves for reimbursement from FEMA.
> This, if correct, wouldn’t suprise me at all.

don’t know about that but heres an update from the welcome home cafe!

Oct 13; Update from New Orleans

Today our donated medical trailer arrived from Oklahoma. Luckily I had just finished clearing all the fallen branches and trees out of the way so we could bring it in back gate in the park. It barely fit through the gate. There wasn’t much room to manuver, so we just had to deal with it where it would go. I hotwired another lampost, so I sit here in air-conditioned bliss typing. :-)

We had easily twice as many people in the kitchen today, all of whom are now coming back home. We’ve started having to cook in shifts cause we only had two burners. Tonight we managed to get another big propane stove going, so tomorrow should be easier. None of us have seen any green food since we left Waveland, so I’m craving some produce or fruit. The neighbors claim our cooking is better than any of the local restaurants from before the flood, so I guess we must be doing ok anyway. Now that the medical trailer is setup, and the rest of our supplies have shown up, we’re ready for business.

We had the local cops (not the ones we dealt with the other day) stop by for dinner tonight, so hopefully our relationship with them is improving. They’ve been pretty hidden around here since our incident earlier in the week.

Arjay just showed up with a trailer of food, so maybe more later.

- rob -

Nightshade wrote:

> This, if correct, wouldn’t suprise me at all.

fema is hiring...no reason the folks shouldn’t get paid

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Nightshade wrote:

I tend to doubt it. As a very structured organization, you can’t even volunteer unless you do it very rigidly their way. I would imagine their accounting is also very stringent. I’ve heard a lot of criticisms of the Red Cross for this or that rule, decision, or policy, but corruption is not one of its faults, from what I have heard.

Carla wrote:

> but corruption is not one of its faults, from what I have heard.

think again...try 75,000 missing in NJ

and then there is this:
http://anthony.gnn.tv/blogs/8853/Made_it_to_NOLA

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Terry Richards wrote:

> think again...try 75,000 missing in NJ
> and then there is this:
> http://anthony.gnn.tv/blogs/8853/Made_it_to_NOLA

I read the article and I believe it generally sums up the basic feeling I’ve been getting from the “front”.

Waveland’s medical clinic has recently been visited by the Mississippi’s Health Dept. They were apparently there with the intent of shutting the clinic down. After a thorough inspection, it basically passed (sorry to sound clipped, I’m trying to get to the point of my conversation).

Their main complaint was not having a medical doctor on site. He was sleeping. The clinic at the time was staffed with a registered nurse, a licensed EMT, and three to four fourth-year medical students out of Stanford. The situation was saved by a retired ophthalmologist (sic??), who agreed to license himself in the state of Mississippi, to monitor any prescriptions needed (i.e.: antibiotics). Such prescriptions were not administered by staff on site until the “good doctor” was awake or the situation was serious enough to wake him. Sounds like behind the scenes at CALM.

The point. It looks like authority is attempting to reassert itself by reassuring its own power through past bureaucratic methodology. In this case, they’re the Health Department, and never mind that they just passed the boat stacked haphazardly on the GMC Yukon, an impression of control must be made.

They are human and they are just as lost as anyone could be in the face of extreme surrealism. Why waste valuable time and effort shutting down a benign, well-run and intentioned clinic? A clinic that is on the side of returning normality/control to those that are experiencing a never-ending reality trip that surpasses any memory of the Sixties?

Because any “bad trip” requires a sense of control to pull you out, and thus, the motives of a bureaucracy.

Enough of the waxing philosophical, Carla, I certainly didn’t mean to taint the thread with possible impropriety of an important government agency (whoops, I mean government contractor. Whoops, I mean...). It’s just, some people at Waveland seem to think this is the case and it falls in line with some of my thinking stated above.

Take care

On 10/14/2005 12:40 AM, The digits of Carla’s hands composed the following:

> I tend to doubt it. As a very structured organization, you can’t even volunteer unless you do it very rigidly their way. I would imagine their accounting is also very stringent. I’ve heard a lot of criticisms of the Red Cross for this or that rule, decision, or policy, but corruption is not one of its faults, from what I have heard.

I don’t know the truth to that rumor I head it from another, usually, reliable source.

I do know they were pretty readily handing out “Red Cross” volunteer badges to anyone who showed up at EOC. They did consider us a Red Cross station because they had a few Red Cross volunteers showing up from time to time. Mostly that was the HAM assistants I asked for. Also Red Cross loaned us some food coolers and dropped off occasional surplus food (stuff they couldn’t pawn off on anyone else). My guess is they claimed some hours from helping us, but hard to say. I think in the end they wanted to claim us as a Red Cross site but couldn’t really.

Hawker

I distinctly remember being visited by a representative from the Mississippi Department of Health on the 3rd day I was in Waveland. I was in the process of organizing the medical tent when a gentleman with a clipboard and a badge stopped by and asked me what I was doing. It turns out his primary job was as a Paramedic examiner for the state, and had been pressed into service as an health inspector, going around to the different sites checking out what kind of care was being provided by whom. While I have no problem with the authorities wanting to get some kind of idea of who is practicing in their backyard, I figured it to only be a matter of time until they started trying to enforce their rules and regulations, hence I am not surprised at this recent news.

The official I talked with seemed more curious about who I was and what we were doing than anything else, and I think it helped that I happened to have a copy of my nursing license from the state of Virginia in my pocket along with my hospital ID. This seemed to satisfy him enough at the time that he merely copied my info onto one of his many forms on his clipboard along with the name “CALM-The Rainbow Family” as for my organizational affiliation. I realize that this is not how we usually operate (ie one of us speaking for the many of the Family) but I felt at that time some sort of token response on my part would keep the authorities at bay for a little while. I think it also helped that I had been an EMT-Paramedic for 12 years before becoming an ER nurse, and when I mentioned that he seemed to be a little more at ease, having the same credentials himself.

Right then. Please keep the news of Waveland and New Orleans coming. I am tying to figure out a way of getting back there, but so far without success. My life in Babylon has it’s hooks well into me, and I am afraid that my duties at home are not easily avoided. But I think of you all and the New Waveland Cafe constantly.

Dasbedanya (Until we meet again),

Subkommander Dred
www.subkommanderdred.blogspot.com

--- In Hurricane_Ka...@yahoogroups.com, “sagetea2000” <sagetea2000@y...> wrote:

> http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/viewFeature.cfm?recid=55

Some people are really upset by the rainbows helping out. here is an example

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Hello Sagetea,

I believe there are enough other groups to send this crap too. if it isn’t to help Survivors, then it does not belong here.

I have tried to be fair with you, but you are sending and saying things that bother me to no end. Why do people who have been through the worst time of their whole entire life, need to know this?

Who Cares! They are trying to put their lives together. If you cannot offer help, then DON’T post. This isn’t the first time you have tried to raise a stink. But it is the last.

Thank You
Lois/Owner

Now it gets worse. They feel that they need to send a second e-mail.check it out

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Hello Sir,

I am the Owner of Hurricane_Katrina_Support group I have been reading your Posts, and am very unhappy with the undertones and the sites you are putting into this group. This is strictly a Support Group for Survivors if Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, it is all about helping them to get back on their feet. This is not a “Political” group. There will be no Politics of any kind in here, Period. Definitely no Bashing of Police or any other outfit that is trying to help others who have lost so much. If you wish to Bash other outfits that are helping to get these people back on their feet, then you will need to find another group. This is the “Final Warning”. I have sent other warnings, but apparently you did not get them, or you wish to ignore them.

I have put your messages on Moderation, they will be closely monitored by me and my Moderators.

Thank You,
Lois/Owner

Offending Site:
http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/viewFeature.cfm?recid=55

Don’t Give Your Hurricane Donations to the American Red Cross
Establishment charities have criminal history of stealing disaster funds

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | Updated September 3 2005

As the aftermath of hurricane Katrina continues to wreak mayhem and havoc amid reports of mass looting, shooting at rescue helicopters, rapes and murders, establishment media organs are promoting the Red Cross as a worthy organization to give donations to.

The biggest website in the world, Yahoo.com, displays a Red Cross donation link prominently on its front page.

Every time there is a major catastrophe the Red Cross and similar organizations like United Way are given all the media attention while other charities are left in the shadows. This is not to say that the vast majority of Red Cross workers are not decent people who simply want to help those in need.

But what the media fails consistently to remember in their promotion of the organization is that the American Red Cross have been caught time and time again withholding money in the wake of horrible disasters that require immediate release of funds.

The Red Cross, under the Liberty Fund, collected $564 million in donations after 9/11. Months after the event, the Red Cross had distributed only $154 million. The Red Cross’ explanation for keeping the majority of the money was that it would be used to help ‘fight the war on terror’. To the victims, this meant that the money was going towards bombing broken backed third world countries like Afghanistan and setting up surveillance cameras and expanding the police state in US cities, and not towards helping them rebuild their lives.

Then Red Cross President Dr. Bernadine Healy arrogantly responded when questioned about the withholding of funds by stating, “The Liberty Fund is a war fund. It has evolved into a war fund.”

Despite the family members of victims of 9/11 complaining bitterly to a House Energy and Commerce Committee’s oversight panel, the issue seemed to be brushed under the carpet and the mud didn’t stick.

The Red Cross’ scandalous activities reach back far before 9/11. After the devastating San Francisco earthquake in 1989, the Red Cross passed on only $10 million of the $50 million that had been raised, and banked the rest. Similar donations after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and the Red River flooding in 1997 were also greedily withheld.

Insight Magazine reported,

“The first days after the bombing,” says one family member, “people from all over the country were sending checks in lieu of flowers and we were getting a lot of checks and cash every day - hundreds, even thousands, of dollars. Then the Red Cross went down to the post office and made arrangements to collect the mail and they would deliver it to us in bulk. All the mail had been opened, and from that point on there never was a dime, even in letters that said money was enclosed.”

The Red Cross has been caught engaging in rampant corruption on an all too regular basis.

3,000 people died after thousands of Canadians were infected with HIV and hepatitis C from tainted blood supplies.The Canadian Red Cross pleaded guilty to the charges earlier this year after they had been directly caught knowlingly shipping out the infected blood.

Smaller charities that were involved with the 2004 Tsunami relief project went public to say that large charities like Red Cross and United Way were engaged in secret backroom negotiations with each other that meant a large portion of the donation money was purposefully restricted from reaching the most needy areas affected by the disaster.

Do not give any money to the Red Cross unless you support the expansion of empire abroad and police state at home. Find a smaller trustworthy organization in the local area of New Orleans and make your donation to them.

Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson

lot of folks need to pull their heads out of their job mindset sand dune and realize that the little red cross has lost all sembelance of a public service organization and has vampired away billions in the course of their history of local moneys from areas already fraught with disaster.

Stoney

the thread was about waveland...YEAH GUYS GO!!!

Thank you SageTea for posting the newspaper article in the New Orleans CityBusiness paper about the Washington Park incident. And for posting the story and pictures to Katrina_Support_Phony “Group”. The emails and denouncements you received for posting this true story about real happenings in on the ground in New Orleans, to feedback-loop to group website’s readers and contributors the accurately-reported and documented recent events affecting hurricane survivors and the healing and helping hands who have volunteered relief by applying their skill and experience and qualifications.

Apparently that group’s censorer, Lois, has an agenda and a bias in her one- sided new venue. She is in denial of the facts and doesn’t want to “allow” any news of relief activities of which she doesn’t approve. Who is Lois?

Which of the many articles available on the website (below) would she censor?

Would you ask her? Thanks, RBJ

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oooops!

The link to == hand delivery == is at the end of the list of links below:

http://community.webtv.net/landinglight/LandingLight
http://community.webtv.net/landinglight/ColloidalSilverfor
http://community.webtv.net/landinglight/handdelivery

Actually I better leave her alone. She sent me an e-mail about 2 weeks ago asking me if the same Rainbows helping out were the same as those scrubby little panhandling hippies that infest her neck of the woods. Well I wrote her back and gave her a little historical background on the family. I let her know what seperates a drainbow from a plugged in rainbow and then let her know that drainbows are still lived and accepted because they are living beings. I think that freeeeeked her out. Anyway life goes on and to her and that group all i wanna say is

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE-YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!

Namaste
Sagetea

Stoney wrote:

> Don't Give Your Hurricane Donations to the American Red Cross
> Establishment charities have criminal history of stealing disaster funds

I don’t know Sagetea,

The post from Katrina Support group was absolutely laced with self-importance, ie:

> I am the Owner of Hurricane_Katrina_Support group...

Owner?? Of a chat group? Not founder, creator, “helped start”...

> This is the “Final Warning”.

What real basis of authority does she have to back this one up?

> I have put your messages on Moderation, they will be closely monitored by me and my Moderators.

Why do I get this mental image of a table surrounded by “blue-hairs” drinking tea and sipping sherry?

I mean, can you imagine if someone tried to pull this off on this group? Levees would break and explicative would flow, filling AGR like a soup bowl.

Somehow I doubt it was just the trauma of Katrina that has her so desperately searching for an idenity. This person is the blindest of the blind, and to keep shining the light of truth on her will only enable her to pull the blinders closer together. Generally, a colossal waste of time.

If it were me, I would post her “final warning” (post this response, if you care too) on the support group. Post all relative links to our efforts. Apologize for any trauma created for sharing the truth of situations facing those that are there to help, and take your “final” leave.

Or not. ;-)

Take care

“saget...@yahoo.com” <saget...@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message news:1129320601.344560.150410@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Now it gets worse. They feel that they need to send a second e-mail.check it out

people outside of rainbow and/or anarchist loops are often firm believers in hierarchy and private property. it’s a yahoo group. usually such are ruled with an iron fist, and technically aren’t considered the commons anyway.

Is Stoney the same thing as Stone?

I’m not going to go off on this, I’m going to politely disagree. I work with the Red Cross, I know many people with the Red Cross, and I support them absolutely. The bad things they do are far outweighed by the good. I still feel that you should support Rainbow instead of Red Cross, ABSOLUTELY and without any doubt, but on the ground, on the day to day level, there ain’t many better than the Red Cross and there are sure a whole lot worse.

Rainbow Gathering
Red Cross
Peace Corps

I doubt that you will ever hear me say anything against any of those groups. They richly deserve our support and respect.

But Rainbow’s the best.

(I have also met Alex Jones and, although he is a smart and valuable human being, he is also a paranoid nut.)

(And if you’re posting stuff like _this_ in a Survivor’s group, it’s easy for me to see why they don’t like it. How do you like it when people condemn the Rainbow Gathering based on the Shovel Incident, or A-Camp? The Red Cross is about ten zillion times bigger than us, too).

AND MUCH LOVE TO WAVELAND. Do you see anywhere down there we can put a winter Gathering?

Love,
Kinda

kinda wrote:

> Is Stoney the same thing as Stone?
> I’m not going to go off on this, I’m going to politely disagree. I work with the Red Cross, I know many people with the Red Cross, and I support them absolutely. The bad things they do are far outweighed by the good.

Hi Kinda,

Being that you selflessly donate a large part of your time towards CALM’s physical setup, I will only politely disagree you with you ;-)

Most items mentioned in that article has been carried,to some extent, by Major News Organizations (I would take the time to post some links but I gotta rush). It’s not the people on the ground I have any issue with, it heirarchal structure that dictates the financial disbursement.

Suppose I wake up tomorrow and there is a million bucks in the CALM donate link.

http://tinyurl.com/836ps (hehe)

Now, on past statements and consensus, %100 goes toward the Katrina effort put on by Family. So out of my own pocket, I’m going to kickdown 20-50 grand for legal advise, accounting, and God only knows what other expenses. And hey, wouldn’t it be nice to setup a fund for future Rainbow Gatherings? What other reasonings can I come up with to hold on to that power, I mean money.

Thus, the degradation occurs from the original statement of 100 percent, I feel like this could affect anyone, including the Red Cross.

On second thought, do not make me see a million bucks tomorrow;-)

Stone is “Stoney-poh”. A past radio conversation between him and Hawker (rather sophmoric, actually) led to this name starting to stick, in an annoying matter.

Loving Waveland

Re: Press on New Waveland Cafe 2 - News updates....

Subkommander Dred wrote:

> Right then. Please keep the news of Waveland and New Orleans coming. I am tying to figure out a way of getting back there, but so far without success. My life in Babylon has it’s hooks well into me, and I am afraid that my duties at home are not easily avoided. But I think of you all and the New Waveland Cafe constantly.

I hear ya. I keep getting these intense visuals intruding on my daily thoughts both of Waveland and New Orleans, even though I haven’t been able to make it at all. Every cell in my body yearns to go. I’ve been a crisis counselor for years and am now employed as a mental health specialist and would love to go be with the people and lend my skills to assiste in whatever small way I can in their healing process. Alas, my family and job responsibilities keep me away.

AAaargh!

“saget...@yahoo.com” wrote:

> Now it gets worse. They feel that they need to send a second
> e-mail.check it out

There is a specific purpose to the newsgroup you posted the article to, and apparently your article was off topic. Perhaps it would have been more helpful if you had simply posted the directions to the park and given information about what kind of help would be available there. At the very least, seems to me it would be respectful to to as the moderator asks.

update from rob::

Oct 14: update

I’m now currently back in Waveland for a night before having to fly back to Colorado tomorrow afternoon. :-( We had twice as many people today that are trying to return home. Last night Arjay delivered an entire crate of organic apples fand some produce from the Waveland Cafe. It was the first real live food we’ve had for a week. We swarmed on the fresh apples after getting them unloaded, and we’re giving them mostly to folks to take with them. Some of the Common Ground folks were here, so we managed to send a care package to the Algiers clinic.

Breakfast and lunch was so much nicer with the addition. Our food has been good, but with not much variety. Now that we’re mostly setup in New Orleans, we have more crew coming in over the next few days. We did managed to gain some new crew folks, as quite a few of the neighbors are coming by now to help with the kitchen. More than a few have said they *really* want to check out the Rainbow Gathering next year. Last night Dimond Dave called, so we had fun passing the phone around. Arjay and Richard were jamming out on guitars, and it was very nice and mellow scene. At lunch, some of the local came in with an accordian, a saw, and some other werid instruments, and played for the lunch shift.

Back here in Waveland, things are still cranking at high volumes. There is a nice new medical tent here (they want our trailer :-) ), and still many people. Somebody donated a “The New Waveland General Hospital” sign, and the distribution center is as huge as always. There’s a live electric Rock & Roll band playing, and people are dancing. It’s hard to believe I’m still in the middle of a large disaster.

- rob -

Nope...Stone is NOT Stoney...I repeat...NOT Stoney..

I have the greatest respect for the brother named Stone and champion the cause.

Claiming aquaintence with a quoted author so as to negate the facts that they present is purile and underdramatized...why not say they are full of shit and you consider them a liar and be done with it??? The facts are that as in any organization run by humans mistakes will be made.

I would rather see the money go into grass roots organizations like the Waveland Cafe or other enterprises representing the intrests of the local population not funding some ‘high holies’ dinner party for the ‘red cross’ elite.

Just my opinion...and you are free to disagree.

Stoney

oh...just another snippet...

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Charities swung into action after the September 11 terrorist attacks, raising more than $1 billion. But questions are being raised about where and how and how much of that money is being distributed.

Bearing the brunt Tuesday during a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee’s oversight panel was outgoing Red Cross President Dr. Bernadine Healy.

The Red Cross has raised more than $564 million for the Liberty Fund, which was set up in response to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

While the agency states on its Web site that it is spending more than any other relief agency responding to the terrorist attacks, it has distributed only $154 million.

Healy was hammered by one New York official for the Red Cross’ decision to put aside nearly half of the money raised for future needs that may include terrorist attacks.

“I see the Red Cross, which has raised hundreds of millions of dollars that was intended by the donating public to be used for the victims of September 11 -- I see those funds being sequestered into long-term plans for an organization,” testified New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer.

Healy later told CNN the Red Cross was a service organization and that previous donations had prepared the agency to deal with September 11.

“We had planned for a weapon of mass destruction attack,” she said. “We knew our obligations under the congressional charter. We knew it involved victim assistance and sheltering. We knew that it involved with dealing with rescue workers. We knew that it involved blood.”

She also noted that some of the new funding went toward helping communities learn how to deal with other threats such as anthrax.

The hearing was contentious, with panel members trying to get at the issue of donor intent and whether the Red Cross misled donors.

“What’s at issue here is that a special fund was established for these families. It was specially funded for this event, September 11,” said Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-Louisiana.

“And it is being closed now because we are told enough money’s been raised in it, but we’re also being told, by the way, we’re going to give two-thirds of it away to other Red Cross needs.”

The subcommittee asked Healy and her agency to provide the exact language of all of its television and newspaper appeals for donations.

Healy said what the agency has learned is it needs to explain to the public the mission of the Red Cross.

“Don’t confuse us with the 9/11 Fund in New York. Don’t confuse us with Habitat for Humanity. Don’t confuse us with the scholarship in New York for the victims. We have to get that out,” she said.

Controversy over the Liberty Fund was one reason Healy decided to resign at year’s end. But she defended the agency’s decision of how to use the money.

“The Liberty Fund is a war fund. It has evolved into a war fund,” she said.”We must have blood readiness. We must have the ability to help our troops if we go into a ground war. We must have the ability to help the victims of tomorrow.”

end article........CNN

Healey was fired shortly after this news break...

Healey was used as a scapegoat by the people STILL in charge of policy administration for the ‘red cross’. B ut then again...I guess the House Energy and Commerce committee and CNN might be a bunch of paranoid nut cases too...

Is that your take on the situation KINDA??? or do you know these people too...LOL

Stoney

Well, that’s why we’re better at this then they are. We don’t have any leadership at all.

But you’re still damning the whole dog because his asshole smells funny.

-kinda

Stoney wrote:

> The Red Cross has raised more than $564 million for the Liberty Fund, which was set up in response to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
> While the agency states on its Web site that it is spending more than any other relief agency responding to the terrorist attacks, it has distributed only $154 million.

Not everyone is hip to the charity business. For example, most people don’t know that the law allows such agencies to use up to 85% of donations for “administrative costs”- not that every agency in every instance does it, but it is pretty lame. -woodstock-

Stoney wrote:

> Nope...Stone is NOT Stoney...I repeat...NOT Stoney..

My sincere apologies. The circumstances surrounding your post led me to believe a play on words was being used. Stone was somewhat skeptical of the Red Cross, as well, in my last phone conversation.

Never...ever...let anyone call you...Stoneypooh. It’s as degrading as, let’s say, Spiritrising-pooh, Carla-pooh, Hawkey-pooh, etc.

All of the above, thank you for your posts.

Woke up this morning and there ain’t shit in the CALM account. Zero, nada, nothing. Thank you for that as well...

Carla, I’m totally with you on the AAaargh thing. Something about a computer forensic mid-term final, next week, is keeping me out of the loop. For those that value privacy... defragment a lot, or use a “military-wipe” product put out by Norton’s System Tools and a few others.

Take care

“Stoney” <arrogan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1129322219.087473.154540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Don't Give Your Hurricane Donations to the American Red Cross
> Establishment charities have criminal history of stealing disaster funds

the red cross also collected thousands of units of blood after 911 which it destroyed.... rather than destroying the blood it could have given to Mexico or Canada or South America... but noooooooooooooooooo

ffffffffff

“Nightshade” >nightsh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1129384471.640416.294680@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> Never...ever...let anyone call you...Stoneypooh. It's as degrading as, let's say, Spiritrising-pooh, Carla-pooh, Hawkey-pooh, etc.

i hate being called an old softy! and i love pooh! sipiritrising

This is cracking me up! Spiritrising-poo! Nighshade-poo (or should I say, Lampshade!).

Not sure who Stoney is, but as my brother I love and respect you.

I’m here at the clinic in Waveland. It’s an amazing experience.

Blessings to all,

Stoney-Poo (aka Stone from CALM)

no doubt you love pooh..... your so full of pooh your eyes are brown

Stoney-poo! There’s a big difference between Stone and Alex Jones, guys.

See, -YOU’RE- allowed to complain about the Red Cross. Because you’d get down to specifics. Dish, baby!

And I love pooh! I’m preparing a load as we speak. Everything I eat turns to shit!

-Kinda-ke-bab

update from rob:

Now that I’m back in Colorado for a little bit, my updates will have to be second hand. Yesterday after I left, the 1000 gallon an hour water filtration system showed up. I had managed to set this equipment loan up the week earlier, and then had to wait for it to arrive. It’s being setup by the fire station two block down the street right now because they’ve got sufficient water. They’re psyched, cause nobody trusts the city water even though they’ve been told they can drink it. Now we can purify the city water, plus the filtration system comes with it’s own water testing kit so we can independently know what’s in it.

The amount of people coming by for medical help or food has gone up substantially over the last 24 hours as more and more people try to return. A small cybercafe is brewing now that we have internet access in the park. Another large tent, and hard-working bodies are still needed. One small problem is getting to be our Rainbow friends that are coming just cause they think it’s a good scene, but don’t actually do any work. I want to emphasize that this **is not a Rainbow Gathering**. Please don’t come to volunteer unless you are ready to work 16+ hour days. Please only come if your own health is good, and you can be mostly self-sufficient. Everyone is working as hard as possible, and it’s obvious those who aren’t.

I grabbed Diamond Dave’s radio interviews with various people in Waveland and New Orleans. You can download those from http://www.welcomehome.org/rema/. I uploaded some more pictures too. I’ll try to add captions to them all finally. There is also another good collection of photos at http://actionhero.tribe.net from the Waveland Cafe.

- rob -

On 10/15/2005 9:54 AM, The digits of Nightshade’s hands composed the following:

> Never...ever...let anyone call you...Stoneypooh. It’s as degrading as, let’s say, Spiritrising-pooh, Carla-pooh, Hawkey-pooh, etc.

He LampShade. I onl allow my Stonepooh call me Hawke-Pooh. Note even my Kelly-Welly can get away with that. you know better ;)

Watch it or I’ll start calling you something publically that starts with A and goes to B.

Hawker

update from welcomehome cafe from turtle aka kim:

Howdy family!

Greetings from the Welcome Home Camp in beautiful washington square in the 8th ward of New Orleans. The service to the people here is consistant, rewarding and, above all, very necesary! More and more folks are returning to the city, only to realize that they’ve lost their homes and don’t know where to eat or go to the bathroom. So, alot of people are coming to the Welcome Home Cafe, looking for assistance. The kitchen is serving hot meals, three times a day. Yesterday, the general count was 150-200 folks served. The Barefoot Doctors, in alliance w/ alternative medical practitioners, are treating people 24 hours a day. With the hard work of great brothers and M.E.F.U. (mobile emergency field unit), we’ve just constructed 3 showers on the opposite end of the square that will be suppling hot water and electricity off of a single emergency field vehicle. They should be up and cleaning folks by the end of the day. There are Mardi Gras parade decorations adorning the trees and bushes, brought to us by the ward of St. Ann (and Jamba, the dumpster diving goddess) and a circular tent in the center of the square that serves well as a bandstand. The whole scene is turning out to be quite a refreshing and gala affair. We are hoping to acquire 2 port a johns with in the next few days, but the beauracracy is putting up a fight.

It’s clear to see that the people who visit the Welcome Home camp and use the various facilities, are stunned by the efficiency and relaxed atmosphere. Most people have been complaining of having a very difficult time getting assistance from the Red Cross. There is such a mess of red tape to get through in order to have any specific need met that most people simply give up and go looking elsewhere. When folks come into the park and realize they can have almost all of their immediate needs taken care of here, the emotions and gratefullness are overflowing! One brother, Rob, walked by 4 days ago, came in and ate 3 days ago, and told us that when he went to the Red Cross station to find out what had happened to his wife and children (because he had been out of town working), the lady told him that they had perished in the flooding. Needless to say, he was devestated! However, today, he ran in, w/ tears in his eyes, and announced that he has found his family, unharmed, in another state. This is a prime example of the kinds of issues people are dealing w/ on a consistant basis down here. There are alot of people in need, however, there are just as many, if not more, people giving assistance.

There is still no elecricity or running water in many of the wards, although the cafe has been connected to electricity through the lamp posts in the square. Grocery stores and drug stores, in fact almost all stores, are closed. Finding what you need in New Orleans is a very hard easter egg hunt. But somehow, people are surviving.

Here at the cafe, it’s time for lunch, and the folks are lining up for a mess of red beans and rice. Frank says, “it’s the best hot meal in town. It’s the only hot meal in town,and I love it”!

Tell ya more later.
Turtle

Hawker wrote:

> He LampShade. I onl allow my Stonepooh call me Hawke-Pooh. Note even my Kelly-Welly can get away with that. you know better ;)
> Watch it or I'll start calling you something publically that starts with A and goes to B.

Love these updates. Thank you and Thank you Turtle,

Now Hawker,

Just because the people at “Foggy Bottoms” have a library on your past activities, doesn’t mean you should give them any help with mine. I deserve the “Lampshade (pooh -ugh)” and I’ll take it like a man.

Besides R***, whoops I mean Hawkep***, um, Hawker...You owe me big-time for handing out my cell phone number to Jane. To atone for that could take years, or at least payment on every other cell phone bill;-)

Take care

Charlottesville, Virginia
October 18, 2005

Comrades, Brothers, Sisters, Friends, Citizens!

What is happening in Waveland and New Orleans is a truly revolutionary event! Common citizens from all walks of life are coming to the aid our of countrymen. It is in this spirt of love and solidarity that many of us have responded to help our neigbors. The power and energy coming from those places are enough to warm even the most jaded, cynical and coldest heart, and I greatly miss being there with you now.

I was able to spend a very brief time in Waveland (only 5 days) until my duties in Babylon required my attendence. Those 5 days felt like a year, and I would like to think have made me a better man for the experience. My own personal circumstances being what they area, I don’t know if I shall ever be able to get back, but I dream of doing so all the time.

Fortunately, it would appear that that provision for a medical team does not seem as acute as when I was in Waveland, operating out of the medical tent. It was a bit taxing, as at one point I was the only person staffing CALM at the time, but I consider it the high point of my professional career as an EMT-Paramedic and as an ER nurse (This is an alter ego of mine that exists to protect my real identity from exposure to the agents of Babylon).

However, I am certain that more help is always welcome, and I have been very busy back at home trying to get a medical team together from the Univeristy Medical Center. Alas, my efforts have come to naught. I am afraid that I am caught up in a tryanny of red tape and executive level Quislings, all eager to sound like they are doing something very important while in fact they merely push papers, attend meetings and make phone calls.

It’s enough to turn my stomach.

Indeed, that was same response I had when I saw FEMA and The Red Cross at their professional best as well. Hmm? Could there be a link?

Right then. I shall bore you all no further with my latest communique and shall close here. To all my friends and family serving our country, our citizens and our fellow human beings in this hour of need, if profess my undying love and respect. It was an honor to have worked with you side by side, and I hope that our paths cross again soon. You deserve so much more than these mere words of praise for your efforts.

Until we meet again,

Subkommander Dred
wwww.subkommanderdred.blogspot.com

On 10/17/2005 9:20 PM, The digits of Nightshade’s hands composed the following:

> Besides R***, whoops I mean Hawkep***, um, Hawker...You owe me big-time for handing out my cell phone number to Jane. To atone for that could take years, or at least payment on every other cell phone bill;-)

Does that mean I need to bring one or two six packs of the local brew for the 3rnd annual “local brew at the Rainbow but hush hush this is a non alcoholic event” event?

Will a six pack of Highland Oatmeal Stout work?

Hawker

Hawker wrote:

>Does that mean I need to bring one or two six packs of the local brew for the 3rnd annual “local brew at the Rainbow but hush hush this is a non alcoholic event” event?
> Will a six pack of Highland Oatmeal Stout work?

Man,

You’re just airing out all our dirty laundry. ACALM does not exist, I repeat (sip, burp) ACALM does not exist!!! All though I can’t seem to help noting the corealation between the locaton of A-camp and it’s effect on nearby honorable tribes i.e. Lovin Ovens, California. Two would be fine, thank you.

P****, I completely agree with you on the politics of medicine. When we meet up in CO, which I look foward to, you’ll notice they translate, in a peculiar matter, to the CALM. Keep what you stated in mind, and be amused at how the politics transpose themselves on otherwise humble personas (snort). Stone speaks highly of you and keep your thoughts flowing.

Take care

There is a brand new address for the New Waveland Cafe as of this morning. That new address is:

The New Waveland Cafe
PO Box 2631
Bay St Louis, MS 39521

If you decide to make a donation, please make checks payable to “The New Waveland Cafe”. These are being processed through a legit 501c, so all donations are tax deductible.

Your help of any kind is always appreciated.

- rob -

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