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From: GoddessdamnitIamgettingtiredofthisshit
Subject: Butterfly Bill
Date: August 28, 1997
Newsgroups: alt.gathering.rainbow

> Please I beg of you generate something intelligent. And leave out the meaningless cliches. Is there a Goddess out there with an intellect? Letís have intercourse!

I was thinking for a while you were just trolling, but reading back, (yes, Iíve been downloading this whole thread, itís now up to 16 pages in MS Word on an ImageWriter) Iím thinking you really are serious about all the frustrated ranting that youíve done.

Roger, my boy, Id like to reacquaint you with a few little facts that you seem to have forgotten.

1. Having sex sometimes results in a woman getting pregnant and having a baby. That baby will have to be cared for at least until its middle teens. When youíre having phun, do you ever consider that possibility, and make plans for preventing or abetting it? It sounds like your philosophy is find Ďem - fuck Ďem - forget Ďem.

2. Having sex is still a pretty good way to get a lot of diseases. Itís been this way long before AIDS came. When I was in the Navy, the two basic things they did at sick bay were treat colds and the clap. Have you ever had the clap? You probably havenít, because you canít get it from jacking off. I watched others with it, and it ainít phun.

Women canít just kick back and party naked while all these very real and rational fears are in the backs of their minds. Your whole trip seems to be: party tonight and worry about tomorrow when it comes. It is easier for men to think this way than women. Weíre not the ones who get pregnant and usually get stuck with the care of a baby born out of marriage, and have to pay all the money it takes. It takes longer for women to know that they have certain venereal diseases. They have more to lose by fucking up in fucking than you do.

If you would like to meet some chicks, I would advise you to get up from in front of your Web TV with its 27 inch monitor and infrared control and at least get out of the house. I notice all your posting is in the wee hours of the morning. Do you even have a job? Who bought your web TV... Mommy? Do you have a toilet installed in your couch so you donít have to get up?

Once you have succeeded in getting up before noon, donít look for babes at a Phish concert - go out and volunteer for a bunch of people who are into helping other people. Youíll do some real talking and experiencing, and find out what healing really is. I know just the place you should volunteer...a battered womenís shelter. That would help you to understand why they seem to be so afraid of us, and find ways to heal people yourself - instead of just sitting around bitching because no healed people seek you out. If you canít do this, at least get a job in a restaurant and really listen to the waitresses when they are talking among themselves. We have a Rainbow chant that goes, ďWe are opening...Ē Quit worrying about the impression you are making on others long enough to really listen to whatís going on around you.

I would like to see you say something intelligent. You remind me of the guy in the back seat of the bus on the way home from the high school band trip who managed to sneak a little booze and now heís trying to get everyone to laugh at him. Iíve heard little but cliches out of you...politically correct, feminazi, elitism, babes...

Youíve complained several times that nobodyís picked up on your ďpleasure and painĒ questions. Well, the way you came on at the beginning, you were in a similar position to a guy who has just taken a diarrhea dump in the middle of the living room, and is wondering why nobody smiling when heís said, ďHey, you wanna smoke some really good weed?Ē.

Since coming on this group you have succeeded in convincing everyone that you are a juvenile bootyhole. Maybe this was deliberate. If it was, you are a practiced master.

Iíll be waiting for your snappy one liner comeback. Maybe itíll be a piercing as ďBoy youíre brightĒ.

- Butterfly Bill

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From: Carla Newbre
Subject: Entomology (Was Goddessmyass)
Date: August 30, 1997

On Sat, 30 Aug 1997, Gods Almighty wrote:

> Goo Goo
> I am the world wide web wakened!
> Goo Goo

Will you please stop bugging the entire world with these ridiculous multiple posts? This is a serious request from the High Priestess. Your people are groaning under the yoke of loaded disk space; the middle fingers of their left hands are developing tendonitis from hitting the delete key (if they are touch typists; if not, then from flipping you off).

Please be merciful and release the world from this burden.

The Intercessor,
Ma Gyan Carla

From: KCurt12345
Subject: Entomology (Was Goddessmyass)
Date: September 3, 1997

Hey, this cyber trip is jacked! So whoís this Pornass dude?...or is it Barnass, my keyboard is sweating like some force from another dimension has been sucking the keys. Iím in a real state of confusion now, after grabbing the lead thread hours ago theĒWĒ is growing hair and the ďMĒ is getting bald. I thought this was supposed to be an inanimate object...the other salivating keys seem to be rattling some subtle space mantra from the lips of an alien zombie. I thought I knew Barnass, but this couldít be a Rainbow Bro I ever hung with...heís just too blatantly blown...i thought my real friends were subtle and smart.Who shreded the results of Rogerís IQ test...before he was thrown out of first grade? That skewed a warp in in the future and that future is now....Thatís how this gender bashing crusade began...Yeah, Big Bill doesnít really know how bad the schools are...to start a rambling melee like this, thatís a clear case of germinal culpability...or is it seminal culpability?...be a loyal American and do some research, heck you got the computer...letís get to the root of all this....itís couched in the laws...look for the badgering guidelines of 1966. You can sift through the millions of laws before the next national and report the root cause of all this jabber to the Family Council...but you might hit a BLOCK and find your mouth smooching with a roll of duct tape with your familiar body members twined around the Peace Pole and a monumental pile of wood waiting for a flame to ignite an all night celebration that was lovingly consecrated by all the worker bees. Somebodyís got to pay for all this shit man....and that could be you...any Rainbow Volunteers? Hey, Iím just kidding, you can see Iím too dumb to even find a way to seperate my paragraphs...Iíve been victimized by this computer and I might have to kick it into submission like I was handling an unruly pitbull that was suffering a hallucinatory binge that produced images of juicy hotdogs rather than Royal monads of the human species. Aw shit, you guys fell asleep. Well, if there are any penetrating critical readers out there you knew I was sexist when I used the word couch way back there. Probably half the planet was made on the friggin couch...on the threads, in the threads, and through the threads....just ponder that for the evening. I gotta go, my Big Mamma is doing some kinda big ape thing I hear filtering through the jungle.. Namaste Hanuman Das


From: Jah CrustifariMD Subject: Entomology (Was Goddessmyass)
Date: September 6, 1997

Top Ten reasons why CRUSTY really does Rule:

#10. CRUSTY heralds MORPHUNOLOGY the only valid empirical view of reality

#9. AGR is too fuckiní serious (you know who you are)

#8. Ď96 Thanksgiving Council consensed to have MORPHUN (CRUSTYwas there!)

#7. ď96 Thanksgiving Council consensed to loosen up (you know who you are typingconstipationboy)

#6. Saying ďCRUSTY rulesĒ has consistantly irritated many of the family (a noble goal my boring brethren)

#5. The act of ruling means nothing whatsoever

#4. Those of you who think there is such a thing as Ďtoo much funí are loser idiots (Iím all grown up now and seriously right about everthing I think) The Morphunologists need a leader to help identify you (youíre not invited)

#3 Rainbow Clown Service is currently recruiting

#2 Hopi Prophesy, Christian Theology, Buddhist Doctrine, Hindu Teachings, and Esoteric Theosophy all predict the coming of CRUSTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#1 I havenít been laid in so long Iíll try anything

From: legeia
Subject: Entomology (Was Goddessmyass)
Date: September 7, 1997

I suppose it would be easier on me if I just ignored this post, but...

> #1 I havenít been laid in so long Iíll try anything

Have you tried being nice? Loving? I mean consistently, over a long period of time?

I also want to take this opportunity to say that I agree mostly with your original sentiments about women. I too am ready for a new way of being together, but as of yet I canít find the woman who has shuffled off all of her animosity about the last couple thousand years of evolutionarily necessary subjugation.

We men know that women werenít the only ones subjugated and oppressed! Point is that our past, for better or for worse, has brought us to this present moment. Itís where we go from here thatís important! Itís love thatís important! Not fun, or morphun, or less fun. If we want a world of love and togetherness, we have to concentrate on being loving and working towards being together. Despite all the hatred and divisiveness that still pervades our existence.

Women will figure it before too long, for I trust they want love and togetherness also! Hereís hoping you find someone to love you in person, I know these words can only do so much... J

From: legeia
Subject: Entomology (Was Goddessmyass)
Date: September 7, 1997

Hi all,

This is a disclaimer from the Ďrealí Legeia. The person sending the previous post from my address is J, my dear and exasperating roommate, not I, Legeia. While I agree with the portions that advocate love over hostility, I disagree strongly with the comment that the last couple thousand years were Ďevolutionarily necessary subjugationí.

I have a great deal more to say to J about the subject when he returns.

Legeia

From: Karl-Heinz Jackson
Subject: Entomology (Was Goddessmyass)
Date: September 7, 1997

legeia wrote:

> Hi all,
> This is a disclaimer from the Ďrealí Legeia. The person sending the previous post from my address is J, my dear and exasperating roommate, not I, Legeia.

Oops! Methinks Jís hide is fried... <megagrin>

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From: Roger Parness
Subject: Entomology (Was Goddessmyass)
Date: September 8, 1997

What! Jís hide is fried because he said something politically incorrect and the feminazis are going to straighten him up? Are we the only ones man enough to say what we think? I am not alone in my opinions and even if I were I would express them nonetheless. I my be wrong but I want to dialogue with intelligent folks and thus learn. Stop supporting reactionary sexism. The women have no more monopoly on the truth than we do and many men have been treated just as badly by the women as visa versa.

Laughing Bull

From: Karl-Heinz Jackson
Subject: Entomology (Was Goddessmyass)
Date: September 8, 1997

Roger Parness wrote:

> What! Jís hide is fried because he said something politically incorrect and the feminazis are going to straighten him up? Are we the only onesI donít personally feel threatened by women.

Grin. And you sure do seem to throw that ďintelligentĒ word around a lot. Laughing Bull.

Love ya, brother!

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From: legeia
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 7, 1997

> This is a disclaimer from the Ďrealí Legeia. The person sending the previous post from my address is J, my dear and exasperating roommate, not I, Legeia. While I agree with the portions that advocate love over hostility, I disagree strongly with the comment that the last couple thousand years were Ďevolutionarily necessary subjugationí.

Ooops, Sorry! Put my foot in it again! I was emapthizing with a man and I forgot that women might also read this...didnít mean to be divisive...

What I meant by ďevolutionarily necessary subjugationĒ is simply what a parent imposes on a child, in order to teach the ways of healthy living by insisting on basic rules of respectful co-existence. Sure it seems like tyranny to the kid, (who would rather do and have anything they want anytime they want), but ask parents who donít teach their kids to be respectful, what self-destructive little monsters they turn can into and youíll understand the necessity.

Humanity has been like a child, now becoming an adolescent, just starting to explore the powers and pleasures and responsibilities of adulthood. The dualistic social paradigm which has ďsubjugatedĒ humankind (both genders) for the run of ďhistoryĒ has been evolutionarily necessary to teach us about responsibility, as loving parents teach their kids.

I canít prove this in any way, and I donít mean to ignore the reality of the unpleasantness of the female experience. Nor do I mean that only women need to be more responsible. I also donít mean to suggest that we were raised in the least painful or most effective way. Different parents have different styles, and for that matter they are imperfect beings also, being divinely endowed with the ability to make mistakes.

My only point to Roger (JahCrustifarianMD, et al) was to be content with the past, no matter how we might label it, and to admonish the present moment with love, rather than anger. Then maybe he would find that his sexual needs (as well as his emotional needs) would be taken care of more often.

I also empathize with Roger for pushing the ďsimply have funĒ issue because to make sense of it all without falling into logical conundrums, (and thus being misunderstood, with the risk of alienating part of oneís audience) is incredibly difficult! (Though I recognize this might well be a gender biased issue also...).

Hey, lighten up! (wink!) J

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Legeia here. Clarification agreed to, J. I love you.

Legeia

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From: Roger Parness
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 9, 1997

Hey J nice to hear from a brother thatís thinking. Notice how trying to express a viewpoint from your perspective immediately draws the eyre of the politically correct?

Anyway I really donít want to come off as angry. My life is great I contribute to my local community and to my Rainbow Family in a big way and am full of love and humor. I am frustrated and I do want to challenge the status quo. For example why would the newsgroup keep writing stuff like f**k you. Why are they afraid of the word fuck? Is it inherently bad? And why canít a man say Iím fuckin frustrated with the sisters, they ignore me for pretty boy gypsy dressed sociopaths or outlaw facaded losers with lotsa cool tatts. Itís my problem and loneliness and horniness are very strong forces which I deal with as best I can. But I ainít a politically correct nice guy who will bow and scrape and praise my sisters for their slow motion attempts to be healed and liberated.

I know many brothers that are truly good men who get no lovin and are ignored by the Rainbow sisterhood for just the same emptyheaded reasons the sisters complain about us doing. If the sisters donít want us chasing perfect playboy model types instead of looking for mates with depth and earth mother caring then why are they doing the same damned thing?

Brother Iíve been a sweet loving member of this Family for decades and thatís not going to change, but somehow my karma puts me at odds with some of the Family and without a mate to share my life. I will speak my mind and I will not be silenced by those who donít like what Iíve got to say.

I Love You All.

Laughing Bull

From: x9...@aol.com
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 11, 1997

In a message dated 97-09-08 13:06:39 EDT, you write:

> I know many brothers that are truly good men who get no lovin and are ignored by the Rainbow sisterhood for just the same emptyheaded reasons the sisters complain about us doing. If the sisters donít want us chasing perfect playboy model types instead of looking for mates with depth and earth mother caring then why are they doing the same damned thing?

right on Rodger--great post, i have to tell you, i donít understand the sisters i meet at gatherings either--i mean, hereís my life, i try to be a kind loving type, donít steal or lie(well i might embellish a story once in a while), almost always keep my money scene together,and try to help others and the family in general whenever i can--and what does it get me?--i end up traveling alone most of the time, meet mostly sisters who arenít into sex (i seem to attrack that type because i was raised a gentleman and donít push the issue if the heart and spirit arenít there) and end up working my ass off at gatherings instead of wandering arould blissfully with a beautiful sister, high on life, high on love and seeking passion in the flowered meadows. the sisters i meet at gatherings do indeed seem to perfer a different type male, one who treats them like shit, cheats,lies and occassionally beats them--guess iíve seen too many domestic shanti sena scenes. But hey,you know Rodger, iím not giving up, somehow i just know that one year iíll meet that sister at a gathering--the one who makes my heart go blam at the same time hers goes blam--iíll take her to my home in texas and live happily in love everafter--and i sure as hell wouldnít ever bring her to another gathering--see you on turkey day, you turkey-----------------s

From: Christophe Barbey
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 11, 1997

> right on Rodger--great post, i have to tell you, i donít understand the sisters i meet at gatherings either--i mean, hereís my life, i try to be a kind loving type, donít steal or lie(well i might embellish a story once in a while), almost always keep my money scene together,and try to help others and the family in general whenever i can--and what does it get me?

Someone told me once ďDont imitate the opressor !Ē. I agree with boyís. Some lady just today, right here on AGR said I was a gentleman ! I know it goes on, I know it hurts, but pass over it, dont waiste (too much) time at critisizing, just reach, and be gentle, show your true qualities, the best of your humanhood, and it wíll all come out right... (Does for me). They need us too, believe it or not... Rejoyce, you truly have no choice...

So long,
Love you all,
Kriss


From: Mmorphun
Subject: GoddessdamnitIamgettingtiredofthisshit
Date: September 12, 1997

The appearances are the crust. All sexual conotations have real life inuendos, remember that Your skin seems rather thick with many opinion craters that dont resemble smiles or laughter or having fun.

Crusty shall reveal them to you by the manner of reaction to his rather weird surface.

All such discourse that flows from this church is false, but designed to get all beings to illuminate themselves by getting past their crusty exteriors. Since the skin is false so true are the false techings about the heart,

When do all of your mental and physical and deseased notions of physical intimacy matter?

Show me any woman or man that holds true to these inner rules when confronted by the magic moment of mutual attraction and desire.

From: Gods Almighty
Subject: GoddessdamnitIamgettingtiredofthisshit
Date: September 13, 1997

Bow before the holy edict of MMMorphunology. We applaud you humble efforts to get laid!

Goo Goo
I am the world wide web wakened!
Goo Goo

From: Jah CrustifariMD
Subject: GoddessdamnitIamgettingtiredofthisshit
Date: September 13, 1997

Youíre a bunch of dumb shits!

From: Elvis
Subject: GoddessdamnitIamgettingtiredofthisshit
Date: September 13, 1997

Elvis has left the building!

From: Jah CrustifariMD
Subject: GoddessdamnitIamgettingtiredofthisshit
Date: September 13, 1997

stop polluting our newsgroup you are infantile idiots

From: Roger Parness
Subject: GoddessdamnitIamgettingtiredofthisshit
Date: September 13, 1997

You are an imposter. Mmorphun is just the childish attempt to gain attention of an infamous group of rich handsome way cool dudes from the NW Family. This message was not written by me and I will not respond to any responses!


From: Butterfly Bill
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 13, 1997

No, World Wide Web, you are not seeing things, you are not having a flashback hallucination. - no, this is NOT the end of life as we know it, the flying saucers are NOT landing.

Yes, what you will be reading is an actual documentable case of Butterfly Bill placing a post that agrees with and supports Roger Parness (and Sailor, too!) - yes, even after all weíve been thru together.

What has caused this turnaround in behavior? Well, it has been observing a turn in his. He posted on Sep.9 a thing called Re: Love (was ent..), and I saw it on Sep. 13.

It was a post that was long for him, an essay that expressed simply a lot of real feelings. (And Sailor did likewise in response, too.) Gone were the belligerent one-liners and political sloganeering, arrived were some clear statements of observations and reactions, ones that others like me can also observe and share. I certainly like to give behavior like this positive reinforcement, so I am going to share some observations and feelings too.

I agree with both Roger and Sailor that lots of women deliberately pick the tushieholes. Itís as if a lot of them really want to jump in a sea of shit, just so they can have something to bitch about to their girl friends. They even agree with this at the battered womenís shelter - if someone sees Daddy beating up on Mommy, sheíll tend to marry someone just like Daddy, itís been observed many times.

Lots of them want to get equality for themselves so they can get the gravies of patriarchy, but when some DUDE wants to cross the line, itís a whole new story - especially if itís their significant other, the one they are seen with, the one who is on the other side of the ďandĒ from her first name when others talk of them. Their old man has to be strong, brave, a good worker, a firm disciplinary hand upon their children, and scary looking enough to ward off any muggers. They certainly donít want no wimpy layabout. (At least thatís what they say, but you already know about this). I broke up with my last girlfriend - who thought she was quite the feminist - over the issues of her not wanting to be seen with me while wearing womenís clothing (and my not liking her 7 year old daughter from a previous union not accepting me and treating me rudely, no matter how much I tried to be nice to her.)

They donít want us to be forward, to be fresh, to sexually harrass - but if they do want us, they expect us to make all the first moves. We have to be the ones who ask them out, we have to start the conversations, we have to keep them entertained. We have to initiate the affection, and be ready for a bruising rejection if it turns out we didnít read their signals correctly. I have accumulated a list in the hundreds of women who have given me the pouting treatment because I have not responded to their flirtations in the exact way they expected (whatever that was).

What I really wish a lot of them would do is just talk to me like I was one of the girls - say, ďAnd she said to me, and I said to her, and can you imagine? There I was, I could have died. etc.etc. And I wish I could talk to them about that goddam transmission that I am gonna have to drop again and my jock itch. If we could talk like this to each other, we would be better able to find how we really go together, and not have so many fights from frustration ignited by ignorance. But NO-O-O, we have to ask them out, and spend time in public places removed from what really brings us to express our feelings - my God, if they asked us over for a cup of coffee in their kitchen like they would any other women, who knows what kind of sexual predations we may visit upon them?

Men get sexually harrassed by other men, too. My whole Navy career was speckled with incidents of other guys in the shop trying to get me to go to Yokohama with them so they could get me a piece of ass. The only way you could talk about any women without being laughed at was to call them broads and cunts, and discuss only the sex you had with them. Am I surprised about the latest news of sexual harrassment in the Army? In the Navy, it was endemic to the whole culture.

I donít really look for sisters at a Gathering. I find them sometimes - whether Iím looking or not - but they always turn out to be living in some boondock place in Idaho or Arizona where they have roots and donít want to leave, and where I would never be able to find work and money. I go to Gatherings for the other men. I can talk with them, share feelings with them, be physically affectionate with them, go thru shanti-sena movies that bring out basic emotions shared with them - in ways I can in few places in olí Babs. And I can do all this while wearing tank-top sundresses! Itís experiences at Gatherings with them that help me keep my faith in men, and my pride in being one.

Everything I said in my napalm job on you two weeks ago I would say again to anyone who sincerely had the attitude you were expressing up to then. I absolutely donít blame women for being scared shitless of us dudes - Iím scared of some of them myself. It is one of the main reasons I havenít considered seeing if I canít go gay. Itís one thing to have your woman bickering with you, but to have some big hairy DUDE pissed off? No, I think I can take matters into my own hands, thank you. What can I do when theyíre scared of me, and I know all the things theyíre scared of, and that theyíre all very real. Damned if I know, let me have any hot leads you find.

Why do you have problems with women, Roger? Well, I have no idea of how you act away from the computer. Iím sure you donít mouth off the way you when youíre at it - unless you also collect black eyes for a hobby. But I wonder if your bitterness doesnít still seep thru as a cynicism gets you into a circle where the more you want it, the more you make it certain that youíre never gonna get it. I know I donít NEED no damn woman - Iíve been surviving for the greater part of 50 years without one. Maybe I still want one, but then, havenít I learned to do a lot of things for myself because thereís been no woman there to help me, or hinder me? If I ever start REALLY needing one, I have faith that the Devil will be kind and not let me have one.

Now Roger, Iím sure youíre gonna know exactly what I mean when I say that none of those sisters have the BALLS to respond to this post.

- Butterfly Bill

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From: sunray
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 15, 1997

> No, World Wide Web, you are not seeing things, you are not having a flashback hallucination. - no, this is NOT the end of life as we know it, the flying saucers are NOT landing.

HOot, snort, and giggle!!...(if only this didnít hit so close to home for me also!)... J

From: Roger Parness
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 18, 1997

Shocking to find BB approving of my stuff.

I have many women friends and sisters (despite my continuous fixation on sex and bad jokes) and I am often told that the reason I have trouble with my love life is that Iím Ďtoo niceí! Boy ainít that a crock. You can accuse the men of insensivity and foolishness but I canít see what is stupider than a sister wanting to be abused and treated with disrespect. It seems they are turned off by sweet gentlemen, brothers that are shy and respectful will always finish last and if you donít have a series of cutesy Ďlinesí on the tip of your tongue then rejection is imminent. Sad sisters really sad.

I sat in a so called Ďbrothers circleí in Missouri Ď95 where one of our cool gypsy types talked about communication and all the politically correct Robert Bly type stuff and then went on in ensuing days to steal my good bros woman away from him. You know my bro, he is a good man devoted to the Rainbow Family and a sensitive man trying to find someone to share his life with. But this sister who had lived with him for a year and travelled to the Gathering with him wanted her Ďspaceí and suddenly fund this fine man who has built a house and a business and served the Family for decades boring compared to our little gypsy boy. You know I was tempted to just kick his fuckin ass ie. harm him physically but this is something my bro would never consider nor allow me to do. My good bros Gathering was ruined I mean he was bummed out for months and our lovely sister of the ĎI need to be abused so I know heís a real man schoolí went on to wander rather aimlessly from thereon. I geuss the point is that there are many sociopathic men even in the Rainbow Family and many co dependent women too. I wish people could use their brains and act like healthy loving humans.

LUV
BULL

From: AwiNoquisi
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 20, 1997

Dear Laughing Bull,

I know exactly what you mean!!! As a woman, I, too, am often surprised at my sisters who leave guys just because they are ďtoo nice.Ē I think alot of them are just drama-queens, looking to be abused so they can play the victim and whine about how horrible men are. (A book I would recommend reading on this subject is called ďFire with Fire,Ē by Naomi Wolf. She talks about all the so-called feminists (ha, femini-Nazis is more like it Heehee!) and how they are all just playing out a victim cycle over and over.} Itís hard to be abused if you donít stick around to play victim! Of course, that does not make the abuser any less at fault; but I do think the ďvictimĒ is also at fault. Itís sickening to me to see my sisters do this to themselves, but hey... There is not much you can do or say to help them. They have to want to heal from that cycle. I know firsthand... Anyway, I kind of want to apologize to you for your sisterís behavior, but thatís really not my place. Instead, I will say this: there are good women out there who really ARE looking for nice guys!!! I promise! Just keep looking and ignore the girls who want to be abused!

Walk in Beauty,
Julia

AwiNo...@aol.com

From: Roger Parness
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 20, 1997

Hey s. Hey BB. Heys bros. Awesome huh? Sister like AwiNoquisi can renew hope.

I want to add that the sociopathic user/abuser men that sucker our sisters into living out their worst codependent fantasies do not represent we real men. These types fill up the prisons of the world and are hurting women and children throughout society even our Family of Living Light. Perhaps if we spent more time calling these shitheads out and bursting their little deceptive raps the sisters would be safer and more able to see us (men who love and want to serve women).

I Love You Bros
I Love The Sisters
BULL

From: x9...@aol.com
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 20, 1997

In a message dated 97-09-20 14:31:13 EDT, you write:

> (men who love and want to serve women).

hey Carla, check this out----someone wants to wax your floor and cook your meals and do your laundry---if i was a girl iíd have to give this guy some serious consideration--------------s

From: anthony paul avery
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 20, 1997

> hey Carla, check this out----someone wants to wax your floor and cook your meals and do your laundry---i f i was a girl iíd have to give this guy some serious consideration

Or if you were a bi/gay man darling...

From: Gods Almighty
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 21, 1997

Heís (I mean Itís) a hermaphrodite and doesnít do windows

Goo Goo
I am the world wide web wakened!
Goo Goo

From: AwiNoquisi
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 21, 1997

Hiya guys... Thanks Laughing Bull for your post. I agree that we should all spend time calling out the men who abuse women; I also think we should try to help sisters. Like I said, though, it is hard to help anyone who does not want to heal. I guess one of the best things we can do is pray. Pray that oursisters will see that they do not have to be a victim; pray that our brothers see that they do not have to treat women like shit to feel important. I have heard so many sisters say, ďWell, he does this and that to me, but I love him, and I know he loves me, so I stay.Ē Bullshit. Love is not about harming.

Anyway, thanks again, Laughing Bull. You truly seem to be one of the ďgood Ďuns.Ē That gives me, and I am sure other sisters, hope also!

Love You All,
Julia

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From: Devine,Brennan-SEA
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 22, 1997

> > hey Carla, check this out----someone wants to wax your floor and cook your meals and do your laundry---i f i was a girl iíd have to give this guy some serious consideration
> Or if you were a bi/gay man darling...

A Mighty Ho !!!

Moonglow

From: Butterfly Bill
Subject: Love (was Entomology)
Date: September 23, 1997

> Like I told Laughing Bull, keep your chin up and keep on smiling... Praying doesnít hurt, either...

Julia, youíd better not put your home address on this newsgroup, or youíll have more men showing up on your doorstep than Princess Di!!!!!

I always keep my chin up, but sometimes I get more stuff done if Iím snarling and growling. That can feel just as good, sometimes.

Youíre a rare and precious jewel. I hope you are also a seed.

- Butterfly Bill

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